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US Gov on shutdown 01 Oct 2013 10:15 #1

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Here is a handy list from Russia Today of the possible effects American citizens and the rest of the world could face now that the US Government has shutdown. The last government shutdown lasted 21 days, from December 1996 to January 1997, and cost the administration of US President Bill Clinton cost an estimated $2 billion, according to the White House’s Office of Management and Budget.

1 Countdown to US default looms
A halt of US government operations would drag the world’s biggest economy closer to bankruptcy, something unprecedented in US history. If no budget deal is done, the US would bump up against their “debt ceiling” and run out of money by October 17. By then, the US government would have less than $30 billion cash on hand, Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew has calculated.

2 Hundreds of thousands of federal employees on furlough
A one-time layoff of 800,000 people working for the US government would erode the earlier projected economic growth of 2.5 percent for the fourth quarter of 2013 by about 0.32 percentage points, according to a forecast by Mark Zandi, chief economist and co-founder of Moody's Analytics. That projection assumes a two-week shutdown. If it drags into a whole month, the loss of GDP would rise to 1.4 percentage points.

3 Troops’ paychecks stopped
About 1.4 million military active-duty personnel would keep on working, but with their paychecks delayed. Approval for troops’ paychecks is dependent on Obama’s proposed 2014 federal budget being passed by Congress.

4 Women and children’s nutrition program threatened
Pregnant women and new moms who are poor and facing “nutrition risk” won’t be able to buy healthy food, as a looming shutdown would put bracers on the $6 billion Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women Infants and Children (WIC).

5 $85 billion in cuts to federal programs
When a shutdown was last threatened in March 2013, it would have resulted in $85 billion in automatic cuts in spending on federal programs – many aimed at alleviating social hardship. The cuts, known as sequestration, would affect grants to local organizations and funds that keep those programs running.

6 Housing loans halted
US federal programs that provide for about 30 percent of all new loans in the housing market – a backbone of the country’s economy – will be shut down. Government funding of new businesses will also be halted, as well as workplace health and safety inspections.

7 Trade talks scuppered?
US plans to have a Pacific trade deal, the Trans Pacific Partnership, signed with the US’s Asian partners could stall, as Obama may decide not to travel to this weekend’s Bali, Indonesia meeting of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation nations. While he could still go if no deal is done by then, it could be a gift for his Republican opponents if Obama was seen to be jetting off to a tropical paradise at a time when federal employees were sent home without pay.



8 Visa delays likely

Thousands of Americans may not be able to get passports for foreign travel, and tourists travelling to the US will likely face delays in visa processing. During the last government shutdown in 1996-97, some 20,000-30,000 applications remained unprocessed daily.

9 Space program on hold
Space agency NASA will be hit the most, as the agency will need to furlough about 97 percent of its employees, though it will continue to keep workers at Mission Control in Houston and elsewhere to support the International Space Station, where the two NASA astronauts currently on board, Michael Hopkins and Karen Nyberg, may not know whether they have jobs to come back to.

10 National parks, museums and zoos would close to the public
State-funded museums, art galleries and zoos across the country would keep their doors closed Tuesday, leaving thousands of employees furloughed and visitors unable to see attractions. US national parks, from Yosemite to the Shenandoahs, as well as Washington’s National Mall, Lincoln Memorial and Constitution Gardens, would also be closed.

www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-30/shut-happens

My question is, if this does drag on past the 17th October, what are the knock on effect to us here over the Pond?
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US Gov on shutdown 01 Oct 2013 12:31 #2

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This probably has nothing to do with :roll: , but, I was on ATS this morning having a look at some of their breaking news links to do with :roll:
I got onto a couple of threads, and when I went back to the listing to select another one....pooff...
Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to www.abovetopsecret.com
OK...just for a laugh, lets see if I could get on Godlike (not tried before off my sons laptop) Oh, got on there fine and found a thread about the 'shut down' and had a quick skegg around it. Just tried again now....got same message as ATS.

I have not been able to get back on either website for last 2 hours. Am I being toooooo conspiratorial if I think this is too coincidental that both american websites are unavailable? Anybody else having problems accessing US based forums and the ilk?

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US Gov on shutdown 01 Oct 2013 12:33 #3

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i can get on us websites fine but GLP and ATS are down.
probably because they are gov. funded :rofl:
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US Gov on shutdown 01 Oct 2013 12:49 #4

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OK this.....
Dear government workers: welcome to the private sector. This is what it feels like to have job insecurity. For the past 7 hours, some 800,000 suddenly idle Federal workers received furlough notices but were told they will still have to report to work for about four hours Tuesday even though the government is shutting down. Or, rather "work." As AP reports, various federal agencies said employees would be limited to doing work related to the shutdown, including changing voicemail messages, posting an out-of-office message on email, securing work stations and documents and completing time cards. At the Environmental Protection Agency, for example, employees were told they cannot work on "any projects, tasks, activities or respond to emails." The more cynical ones out there may ask: just how is that any change?

More on today's shutdown chronology from AP:

The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development said it will close its offices at 1:30 p.m. Other agencies, such as the Labor Department, expect most employees to be gone by mid-day, but haven't set a specific time.
Once they head home, furloughed employees are under strict orders not to do any work. That means no sneaking glances at Blackberries or smart phones to check emails, no turning on laptop computers, no checking office voicemail, and no use of any other government-issued equipment.

Office managers are encouraging workers to leave government-issued cell phones and computers in a secure place at the office. Those employees who work from home may find it more difficult to break the habit of checking emails or looking at documents.

Employees will receive an official e-mail on Tuesday explaining whether or not they are essential or slated to be furloughed. The email will include appeal rights and a form to use for seeking unemployment insurance. Some workers may be eligible for unemployment depending where they live. Some states require a one-week waiting period before applying, while others allow workers to apply right away.

Federal workers would not see their pay affected right away. If a shutdown continues, all employees can expect to be paid on schedule on Oct. 15, 2013 for hours worked from Sept. 22 through Sept. 30.

www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-01/govern...r-respond-emails-or-

I've bolded the 'curious' bit.

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I found this....
Philip De Genova · 37 mins ago
NSA called a meeting this a.m. w/ATS

here.....
www.isitdownrightnow.com/abovetopsecret.com.html

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US Gov on shutdown 01 Oct 2013 13:05 #6

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Read between the lines.....Cameron said this at Manchester conference...
07:55 GMT: The British Prime Minister says the US government shutdown crisis should serve as a wake-up call for the UK.

"It is a reminder to all of us that we need to have properly planned public expenditure systems, properly planned tax, properly planned arrangements for getting our deficit down," Cameron said at a Tory conference in Manchester.

"I think we will see lots of reminders over the coming months, like what is happening in America, that it is absolutely vital that we grip it," he added, in an attempt to reinforce the need for his own government’s unpopular austerity measures.

rt.com/usa/government-shutdown-live-update-564/

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US Gov on shutdown 01 Oct 2013 13:15 #7

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https://www.corbettreport.com/interview-755-james-corbett-breaks-down-the-shutdown-hoax-and-bail-in-scam/

https://www.corbettreport.com/mp3/2013-09-30%20James%20Corbett.mp3

"James Corbett appears on The Power Hour with Joyce Riley to discuss the panic over the impending US government shutdown. They also break down the truth behind the banking cartel and their bail-in scheme, Fukushima, gold, and much more."

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US Gov on shutdown 01 Oct 2013 13:19 #8

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where the two NASA astronauts currently on board, Michael Hopkins and Karen Nyberg, may not know whether they have jobs to come back to.

Or whether they can be afforded to be brought back.
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US Gov on shutdown 01 Oct 2013 13:38 #9

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This was just on the radio, the report said
that thousands were being temporarily laid-off

Not good.
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US Gov on shutdown 01 Oct 2013 13:39 #10

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Space Bandit wrote:
where the two NASA astronauts currently on board, Michael Hopkins and Karen Nyberg, may not know whether they have jobs to come back to.
Or whether they can be afforded to be brought back.
That puts a whole new spin on being "let go" by your employer. :o
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US Gov on shutdown 01 Oct 2013 13:44 #11

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Once they head home, furloughed employees are under strict orders not to do any work. That means no sneaking glances at Blackberries or smart phones to check emails, no turning on laptop computers, no checking office voicemail, and no use of any other government-issued equipment.
When I had jobs, I went the extra mile and did this while I was in the office as well just to be on the safe side.
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US Gov on shutdown 01 Oct 2013 13:51 #12

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Today in the UK teachers are on strike.


Our own Right-Wing is now trying to take away the right to withhold their labour and the right to vote for industrial action.


www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationo...teacher-strikes.html



Needless to say, the Helen Lovejoys here in the UK are asking everybody to "think of the children" by which they mean accept whatever the government have in store whether it is good for the teachers, schools and indeed the children.


Meanwhile the US government goes on an effective strike that also prevents thousands of other people from doing their job.

And what do we see from our Kochroach so-called "Libertarian" friends?

Spite towards workers who are employed by the state "Ha! Now those guys know what job insecurity is like!"

These workers, who are worried about where their next paycheck is coming from, are targets for this spite simply because their employer has not been privatised yet.

That zoo keeper who is doing a hard, dangerous and dirty job on low pay? Fuck him, he gets his check from the government.

That soldier who is serving his country? Well fuck him and his family! Now his country is not paying him He might get shot in the meantime.

That museum curator that studied for years to be on a minimal wage because of a passion for the history of Mankind. Fuck that guy cos he isn't working for a private museum!

See that welfare worker ensuring that pregnant mothers get enough to eat? Even if she works in some of the most deprived areas and earns pittance? Well fuck her, fuck the mother-to-be and fuck the unborn baby! Why? Because she should have been working in privatised healthcare, the mother should have had insurance and the baby should have gestated in a different womb.

And THAT, after all, is what this shutdown is all about.
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US Gov on shutdown 01 Oct 2013 14:08 #13

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
Once they head home, furloughed employees are under strict orders not to do any work. That means no sneaking glances at Blackberries or smart phones to check emails, no turning on laptop computers, no checking office voicemail, and no use of any other government-issued equipment.
When I had jobs, I went the extra mile and did this while I was in the office as well just to be on the safe side.

OK, but these people are being told they are NOT to do this and there will be consequences if they do....why? Why don't they want them accessing their work 'remotely' for the want of a better description.
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In terms of education, it's totally ludicrous to talk about an 'education system' when you have some children who attend schools that cost over £30,000 per year and have phenomenal facilities and offer them incredible opportunities, and other children who are set up to fail from day one. And then the people who attended the private schools decide the future direction of education policy.

That's before you even go into the agenda behind what schools are intended to achieve.
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jhado wrote:
This was just on the radio, the report said
that thousands were being temporarily laid-off

Not good.

I've never liked my prediction that something will start on a Tuesday and by Thursday/Friday am the whole world will be affected. I've always seen the Tuesday 'thing' ws a heads up and giving us a 48 hours head start. No point me saying I hope this isn't 'it', because whatever 'it' is that is going to happen on a Tuesday is going to happen regardless.

So any of you have any thoughts on how/what will happen over here if this situation continues up and past the next deadline?

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angelchemuel wrote:
OK, but these people are being told they are NOT to do this and there will be consequences if they do....why? Why don't they want them accessing their work 'remotely' for the want of a better description.
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Because the NSA is not the only agency monitoring data, all the other developed nations are scooping it up as well.
If you're accessing works servers and reading data when 'off the farm' everything is more vulnerable to prying eyes and ears.

Last thing they'll want after the Snowden fiasco is the damned pinkos getting hold of the stationery cupboard inventories and selling that on to the terrists.
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Bureau Of Economic Analysis, USDA Websites Go Dark
This also means that virtually all government-sourced economic data for the duration of the shutdown is now also offline. Luckily, the Fed only cares about the level of the S&P when making its monetary policy decisions. Else, it may have some difficulty in determining how QE is impacting the actual economy.

The silver lining: the USDA is also down. So those who want to find out how many Americans are on foodstamps, they will just have to wait.

www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-01/bureau...sda-websites-go-dark

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I don't know how to insert a picture....so you's will have to click linky! :D

www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-01/rush-h...ernment-shutdown-day

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CNN host attempts journalism ....... (she's probably looking for work now).

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