amaralsright wrote:

andyh wrote:

amaralsright wrote:

amaralsright wrote:

amaralsright wrote:
That's where it all breaks down. Zionism was just about a Jewish homeland and now it's about the politics of Israel. Like globablism isn't about Zionism - that's totally absurd - it's about capitalism and that should be blatantly obvious. Zionism/Israel is just a component of the world. It's not important in itself - the only reason it ever got to be important is because Israel is located slap bang in an unstable region where the most vital global resource happens to be heavily concentrated coupled with the fact it demonstrated impressive military ability a few decades ago, it's allied with and dependent on America and doesn't have to worry about a Muslim population that has a dim view of the West. A resource we are so totally dependent on if it got cut off society would totally collapse very, very quickly. And the frightening thing is, unless we figure out a way to extricate ourselves from that dependency at some point that's going to happen. 'International banking' is about making money. That's its end. That's what it does. That's what it will always do even if every Jew vanished tomorrow. 'Leading elitists' are of all nationalities and creeds - and that's irrelevant. Because they're all part of one big self-serving system. A system that is likely going to totally implode at some point, with very messy consequences for us all.

You're all right.

What was I thinking?

It's nothing to do with Jews.

I can see that now.

andyh wrote:

The Apprentice wrote:
Did you really make those shoes? That's awesome. Man, I wish I could do stuff like that. I'm like Homer Simpson whenever I try making things.

The only ones that matter are the ones that control the money.

But they're not Jewish.

I see that now.

He said 'you don't have to be a jew to be a zionist'.

Pretty simple stuff tbh.

I can't stop thinking about those shoes. See I think they should teach more of that sort of stuff at school. Not like those bullshit lessons I had where all we did was covertly make throwing stars out of metal and throw them at walls during break. Thinking about it, it was really dangerous. Like they were proper throwing stars. This one kid made a massive one that was several inches across.

andyh wrote:
If he said "You don't have to be a slave to be an abolitionist" would that mean abolition was not about slaves?

amaralsright wrote: Not by me, I'm able to make a distinction between a catholic priest who rapes a child and the catholic child who has been raped.

You've not seen any debate about whether smokers should be dealt with equally within health care systems because "they made a choice" after being bombarded with advertising at a young age then?

"Elitists of any stripe seek the same thing, control. In the case of Zionists it is control over Israelis, With Globalists, it's control over the globe. The last detail that is of any relevance is what hook they hang their hat on. It's their personal objectives that should be the focus of concern, To concentrate on the religious/nationalist bs smokescreens they deploy deflects the attention from the individuals onto a mass of people. Well done! Thanks for playing along.

Eggshells my ass.
I have no reservations calling out the State of Israel for its occupation and oppression of Palestine and it's people.
I have nothing but contempt for its denial/non-acknowledgement of its nuclear arsenal.
The US covers Israels ass at the UN because US politicians can be bought for cash monies. (That's also how they got their nukes).
I deplore they way that Israel will cite the victims of the holocaust as a shield against accountability and a permission slip for aggression.

That crushed enough eggshells for you?

Oh btw,
Don't EVER give me access to nukes because one of my first actions would be to order the evacuation of Jerusalem then glass the joint.
Justification? If you fucks can't play nicely with your Power Rangers, they all go in the bin!

andyh wrote:
Those Christian Zionists do my head in. Some of those guys are way out.

OK I get it... it's not about Jews... whatever..

Whatever I say you'll post some cock-eyed reasoning that makes no sense.

Let's just leave it at that.

I'm containing myself, some of what I've just seen as argument could get a more forensic treatment if I was in the mood (and two years younger).

But I'd be wasting my breath.

dogsmilk wrote:
Yeah.. wacky.. they way they see Israel and the return of the Jews as part of the end times.

Crazy bastards.

But Zionism isn't about Jews.

I see that now.

amaralsright wrote:
Of course Zionism is about Jews. And it's about other things too. Like Christian Zionists don't really care about Jews, they care about their own take on Christian theology. Jews are playing a role in their belief system. To some Jews, Zionism is about the land that God gave them and everyone else should fuck off. To others it's become a secular concern about territory. To still others it's simply about the land they grew up in. Zionism - like religion - isn't a singular concept that means exactly one thing.
People are really complex beasts and see things in lots of different ways.

dogsmilk wrote:

amaralsright wrote:
Ah the irrelevant strawman

He has publicly openly admitted he is a zionist, many others have done so too.
Zionism is about creation of a state for jews and not necessarily BY jews.
There is an ongoing veto upheld in the UN by the UK and the US whenever Israel breaks the rules, the guys doing that are not necessarily jewish or even christian. They might well be devil/mamon/40 foot owl worshippers though lol.

dogsmilk wrote:
Useful skills and knowledge just aint part of the curriculum and its not just the poor who get a crap education either...