dogsmilk wrote:
Of course concentration comes into it, but I don’t myself like anything put in the water, certainly not chlorine. I lived in Worcester for a time, and when you ran a bath in my house there it smelled like a fucking swimming pool. however, i see no evidence it’s part of some sinister conspiracy ‘the elite’ are in on.
I would probably class chlorine as a separate topic to fluoride. In many municipal mains water systems, I know that water can get, shall we say, funky, if it is not disinfected. Its just the way things are when large amounts of water is stored and travels through pipes a considerable distance. So even though I personally try and avoid it, i can see a reason for it, and conspiracy is not a word i would use.
There is information about the detrimental effects of chlorine out there, so people can make a choice up to a point, especially with what they consume internally.
dogsmilk wrote:
Indeed, what goes into water supplies around the country is totally inconsistent — like not all areas have flouride added. People can agree or disagree as to whether what gets added to water is beneficial, irrelevant or risky, but that is not the same as alleging it’s all some kind of conspiracy to do whatever — something which to me makes no sense.
Just looking at here
wmaf.org.uk/index.php?content=content&parent=7&read=21
you can see a number of MPs have opposed flouridisation.
That may be the case in the UK, but in other countries there is no choice unless you sort something out yourself to get fluoride free water, like in Australia where there is no govt opposition, and it is added pretty much anywhere there is a municipal water supply.
Almost the same in the usa, it is widespread...
As with some other countries water fluoridation in the United States is a contentious issue. As of May 2000, 42 of the 50 largest U.S. cities had water fluoridation.
By 2012 72% of the total U.S. population get their water from public systems that add fluoride
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_in_the_United_StatesIt makes sense as an issue about whether something like that represents public benefit or public harm or a waste of money for no tangible benefit, but I can’t see it going beyond that. But then I think stuff like flouride conspiracies are just a futile distraction.
I personally see the addition of these fluoride compounds as detrimental to human health in any dose when taken internally, and unnecessary, so I do my best to avoid it. I see ones teeth as seperate to ones insides, and there are other ways to keep teeth clean, without ingesting class 6 poisons with every drink and meal.
See the thing is, even the fluoride MSDS themselves list the possibility of fluorosis in higher doses, so even though in mains water it is diluted to lower dosages, its still not something i think people should be consuming, given what fluorosis does to the body. Its like saying, hey this stuff is poison, but a little each day for your whole life wont be detrimental...even in your baby formula when you are tiny...well for me, anything that can cause this in higher doses, i say no thanks even in small ones. I guess thats my common sense prevailing perhaps, given what we are dealing with.
Skeletal fluorosis is a bone disease caused by excessive consumption of fluoride. In advanced cases, skeletal fluorosis causes pain and damage to bones and joints.
Symptoms are mainly promoted in the bone structure. Due to a high fluorine concentration in the body, the bone is hardened and thus less elastic, resulting in an increased frequency of fractures. Other symptoms include thickening of the bone structure and accumulation of bone tissue, which both contribute to impaired joint mobility. Most patients suffering from skeletal fluorosis show side effects from the high fluorine dose such as ruptures of the stomach lining and nausea.[7] Fluorine can also damage the thyroid gland leading to hyperparatthyroidism, the uncontrolled secretion of parathyroid hormones. These hormones regulate calcium concentration in the body. An elevated parathyroid hormone concentration results in a depletion of calcium in bone structures and thus a higher calcium concentration in the blood. As a result, bone flexibility decreases making the bone more amenable to fractures.
As of now, there are no established treatments for skeletal fluorosis patients. However, it is reversible in some cases, depending on the progression of the disease. If fluorine intake is stopped, the fluorine existing in bone structures will deplete and be excreted via urine. However, it is a very slow process to eliminate the fluorine from the body completely. Minimal results are seen in patients.
And I had absolutely nothing to do with it 
