It's not worth posting on the DIF any more. It's over-ridden with NWO scum.
They will be coming over here soon if this forum gets any more popular.
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Frog wrote:
Holocaust denial tends to be about denying it.

I'm claiming nowt. I wasn't there but I'm still inclined to believe that WWII was responsible for millions of peoples deaths. I don't care who or where they were killed, each death is a despicable act. The only reason I can see to focus on the number of Jews killed is to argue against how this was used to establish a nation. Again, I wouldn't single out any one nation on this account, they were all pretty much established by 'leaders' acting in the interests of 'their people' yet ultimately exploiting 'their people'. Hence I oppose all nation states as a concept, I don't single out any one nations right to exist.

I associate German National Socialism with the term Nazi.

Was what exclusive to the Jews?

according to the web non Jewish faith polish suffered just as much as Jewish faith polish at the hands of the nazis!

Why did the nazis hate the polish so much?

It's like we never left DIF.
Same shit, different forum.

andyh wrote:
I read that ^ and I got reminded of this picture...

thoreau wrote:
Spot on matey. As well as Sean the Deleter, that's why I don't even read dif anymore.

Frog wrote:
Eugenics was a popular and widespread idea in the early part of the 20th century. The reason the Nazis get the attention is because they and only they moved into a program of state orchestrated mass murder on the basis of those ideas. Other countries went a far as sterilising people, but nobody else went so far as to kill 'life unworthy of life' and tell lies to the relatives about the cause of death. That is a rather unpleasant thing to do and I'd be astonished if anyone thought it wasn't important to remember that' was the culmination of the ideas of eugenics. Perhaps some other regime would have ended up doing the same, but the fact is they didn't.

And when people talk about the "official" history of WWII, they generally fail to say exactly what is supposed to be "official" about it. The reason the general course of events is "official" is because every reputable historian agrees on certain core events, much as every reputable historian agrees on certain core events in, say, the Crimean War. Because by the accepted standards of the discipline certain things definitely happened. Not least because everyone involved in said events said they happened. It's very poor historical practice to decide everyone involved in historical events was wrong and something else you imagine happened instead - which is basically Holocaust denial in a nutshell. As I said repeatedly on the DIF, Holocaust deniers believe in a history nobody experienced happening at the time. Which is totally insane.

What always pissed me off on the DIF was people going on about 'what's in the history books' when they'd never fucking read any.

feather wrote:
Indeed...quite interesting to note who some of the protagonists are, too.

Damn, the bleepin jewish bleep from the blabbedibleepin DIF is here to bleep all over our beatiful forum for bleeps sake.. I honestly wish this bleepidibeepin blaa will stop soon.

oioioi wrote:
I can't see that anyone would disagree the fact that millions of people suffered and died as a result of WWII the issue comes when a group claim exclusivity of the event. That group being an elite minority with an agenda, hiding behind a larger majority. To add insult to injury some members of the elite group aren't necessarily immediate members of the group. They are using them simply for their own advantage and to further their own cause.

What does national socialism represent in general political ideals?

Was the holocaust committed exclusively against Jews?

I am not a Holocaust denier. I just don't think 6 million Jews were killed. That's all. I fully believe Jews were murdered, terrorized, and there was a campaign against them. I believe the crux of this campaign was to drive the Jews from Europe, to Israel, because they weren't willing to go voluntarily. Lots of people died in WWII, and in great numbers as well. They also died in camps, by fire bombs, by execution. I think the Zionists exploit the Holocaust for their own reasons. Israel is of great significance to them, I'm not sure of their true intent there. I do know that in 1948, there was a massive influx of Jews to that region, and they were desperate.... they had been disenfranchised by the campaign against them, and were in many cases willing to fight for their new spot of land -- just as the folks who engineered WWII and the campaign against them wanted it to be. It's still going on to this day. Jews are dying there too. As are Palestinians and Arabs.

Jews were murdered in WWII, but there is no way one third of the entire Jewish population was exterminated. That's a number that is used by those who gain from exdploiting it, and there are plenty of Jewsih people out there who don't buy it either. There is a lot of anti Zionist sentiment in the Jewish quaterts in Israel. Led by guys like Ahron Cohen, and Gilad Atzmon, who were by and large the people who changed my mind about the Holocaust and the intent of those who exploit it. If the only literature available in this way was written by conspiracy theorists or white supremacists, I wouldn't have given it a second though..... the fact is, the most compelling evidence against it is written by Jews.... I say it's sad that anyone has to die in war, no one needs to be remebered more forcefully than anyone else. be they Japanese, French, British, Hebrew, Italian.... or whichever religion they are. The Holocaust seems to have become it's own religion, unto itself, and like all religions, the people who created it have their own motivations at heart for doing so.

Zionist does NOT mean Jewish, it is an ideology that some very powerful people believe in. Some Zionists are Jewish, many more are not. A quote from Rabbi Ahron Cohen states that "If Hitler didn't exist, the Zionists would have created him." That's my three cents. I don't hate Jews,I'm not a "denier" I believe Jews were murdered, just not 6 million. I believe that certain people use the inflated number to exploit their own schemes. I think Jewish people should be aware that once again, they are being used. We're all good people, we need to recognize who isn't, no matter what religion they hide behind. Their ideologies and mindsets speak for themselves.

Peace.

Frog wrote: Many many thousands of people did their very best to oppose British involvement in the invasion of Iraq. Whilst not having first hand experience of opposition to the Israeli government's ongoing persecution of Palestinians, I've seen plenty of evidence that shows there are many many Israelis that oppose it.
I'd say therefore that you could neither say the British people supported the Iraq invasion nor that the Israeli people support the situation in their neck of the woods. In that sense there is no difference
I wouldn't deny the evidence my eyes show me. There have been numerous opinions posted here as to why that situation is at it is over there. My view on that subject was cemented by the reaction to my starting a boycott of "race threads". That being that revenue stream is the main reason that situation is encouraged there.
By speaking out against the actions of a government As one who is not exactly a supporter of representative democracy I don't exactly encourage voting within such a system. I do take your point that if you fall for the voting bollocks you are effectively complicit in the subsequent actions of government. On the British Isles there are plenty of us that don't vote and do as much as we can to point out the futility of supporting such systems and also subvert them. So I for one will not accept blame for what the British government does. I don't doubt there are people residing in Israel that feel and act similarly. We're still part of the population though whichever way you look at it.

dogsmilk wrote:
Eugenics is alive and well to this day and has been conducting business since Darwin's day, and no doubt before without being considered a recognised field of science. Do you seriously think that the Americans/Anglo American establishment didn't kill anyone in the name of Eugenics? Do these deaths only count if they take place on home ground? They are killing innocent people today have also been sterilising populations around the world through GM crops, inoculation programs and water treatments using eugenics/social engineering programs.

Would abusing then killing one child be a greater or lesser evil than doing the same to three? Surely the issue isn't the number it's the act!

Where did all the native American Indians go? Humm Genocide? Where are all the memorials centers in Europe and the states in recognition of the murder of the Native American people? Maybe that holocaust doesn't count because it's pre WWII.

What about the Indigenous people of Australia who are still abused to this day?

What about the Palestinians who subjected to genocide to this day?

Why is it an offense in many countries to question the history presented by these reputable historians? How is questioning equal to denial see that's where it falls flat on its face! It's emotive and divisive BS a fallacy in a nutshell. The Nuremberg trials were a total farce and the transcripts are there for people to make up their own minds about how justice was administered. History that is prevented from being presented you mean? The whole thing stinks! The bombardment of propaganda has never been reduced, the governments have continued to use the same techniques and much improved ones to this day. Whole populations are being sold government lies daily why do you think the one event which is taboo can't be debated? What other event is there in modern history which has the same laws preventing discussion? Even 9/11 can be discussed and the government data challenged - granted they simply stone wall any legal process but it's still open for debate.

dubmeup wrote:
what does not voting, on its own, achieve realisticly thought dubs. real life achievement.

ftr i have NEVER voted, state or federal, and we get fined here as its compulsory, so it costs me money...and then some...last time i got a nasty letter for the first time highlighting my voting history, and i wouldnt be suprised if soon they up the fines to something ridiculous, or make it jail for not paying them...because thats how nanny state australia rolls. so i hear ya on not voting...its a matter of principle for me too...but

back on topic...i cant really see not voting, on its own , changing much.

my 2c

Frog wrote: [/quote]
Eugenics is alive and well to this day and has been conducting business since Darwin's day, and no doubt before without being considered a recognised field of science. Do you seriously think that the Americans/Anglo American establishment didn't kill anyone in the name of Eugenics? Do these deaths only count if they take place on home ground? They are killing innocent people today have also been sterilising populations around the world through GM crops, inoculation programs and water treatments using eugenics/social engineering programs.

Would abusing then killing one child be a greater or lesser evil than doing the same to three? Surely the issue isn't the number it's the act!

Where did all the native American Indians go? Humm Genocide? Where are all the memorials centers in Europe and the states in recognition of the murder of the Native American people? Maybe that holocaust doesn't count because it's pre WWII.

What about the Indigenous people of Australia who are still abused to this day?

What about the Palestinians who are subjected to genocide to this day?

Why is it an offense in many countries to question the history presented by these reputable historians? How is questioning equal to denial see that's where it falls flat on its face! It's emotive and divisive BS a fallacy in a nutshell. The Nuremberg trials were a total farce and the transcripts are there for people to make up their own minds about how justice was administered. History that is prevented from being presented you mean? The whole thing stinks! The bombardment of propaganda has never been reduced, the governments have continued to use the same techniques and much improved ones to this day. Whole populations are being sold government lies daily why do you think the one event which is taboo can't be debated? What other event is there in modern history which has the same laws preventing discussion? Even 9/11 can be discussed and the government data challenged - granted they simply stone wall any legal process but it's still open for debate.[/quote]

novum wrote:
Fined for not voting..LOL!!!

I'll give Ireland something, at least I don't have to even register on the electoral roll .

novum wrote: Again it's a numbers game isn't it. Ofc if a small percentage don't vote then there is diddly squat acheived. Certainly On the British Isles, turnout is low and appears to be diminishing further. If that was to carry on there has to come a point where the result of an election is moot. There would be no mandate to govern. This is what I encourage everyone to help happen. Not saying the politico State wankers would roll over easy though......

Absolutely agreed though that not voting is but one aspect of what needs to be done for the people to take back control of their lives collectively from the elite manipulators.

dubmeup wrote:
Australia only has a third the population of the UK so I guess thats precisely why they try to enforce voting.

andyh wrote:
Nevermind

Nothing to see hear