wake_up_bomb wrote:
Indeed it is - I have to question why he would give them such ammo considering that the 'free speech' angle can be so easily exposed as being untrue - I am saddened by it all tbh - Can you imagine if one of the papers spent just a few weeks on there looking into the posting history of a small number of long term 'protected' posters? With warman already on ickes back and combat 18 cited as some of ickes longest standing supporters and stormfront declaring the dif the place to go for likeminded people to talk to.... I cannot imagine it ending with conspiracy and icke looking good

Flyermay wrote:

To be honest I'm just about sick enough of it now to open the can of worms. They've had enough chance to do something about it and at every step they have chosen to let the not a nazis dominate the most popular sections of the site. Either it's conscious or it's plain ignorant of how the not a nazis (and personally I only use that word because they are too cowardly to wear their armbands) have moved into the internet in the last decade.
Times up Sean. Can't speak for others but you're getting no more chances from me. I will not sit idly by and let these fuckers use a place like the DIF to their sick ends.
Tonight I will be compiling an email that will be circulated far and wide to organizations that may be rather interested in the situation that Sean and others have encouraged at the DIF. Time for the light to be shone on it.

Btw, how did that video pan out thor?

thoreau wrote:
I've already said as much myself thoreau and it will end up in tears I'm afraid.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
I assumed that this was what precisely was going on. And said as much...more than once. Now I have to ask was it being allowed from the onset or did think he could handle it and now he's having to tolerate them because they are a big chunk of the 'traffic' over there now?

End of the day....I don't give that much of a fuck any more, I only linger around there occasionally to wallow in (some might say add to) it's demise.

thoreau wrote: I hadn't imagined that scenario, I had more imagined what would happen if a regular member of the public who was beginning to feel a bit shortchanged by The Guardian - which would be understandable - went there. You would have to be phenomenally open-minded to come to any other conclusion than...what a bunch of crazy extremists.

Again, it's ironic that people bash AJ all the time for being negative, scaremongering, sometimes for exaggerating, and so on...fair enough, I understand why. But look at what he has to say, and then look at what many threads on the DI forum have to say. If anyone was on his boards, or phoned up his show, and started putting forth some of the stuff I've seen on there, they would be kicked off immediately. Rightly so. Even if you defend the principle of free speech, which I do completely, you cannot afford to have yourself associated with people who think Hitler's shit smelt of roses, and will defend him to the hilt whatever happens, although they don't actually know any history, seemingly. They literally are delusional, scared people, because every time I've tried to simply bring up some basic material, like "do you agree with the Knight of the Long Knives where the Nazis murdered loads of their political opponents?", they haven't really been forthcoming with any answers. This is why if I had a personal website, I would never have a forum.

I can't remember if it was you who posted this, I think it might have been, but whoever did I think is entirely correct that Icke probably knows little about what is on there. He probably does get the odd report, where he's told "everything is fine, we've got loads of people contributing, there was a bit of a storm in a teacup about Nazis, so I had to ban some people, but the principle of freedom of speech and debate is being upheld". And he thinks nothing else of it, being far too busy doing other things. Now, whether he should be aware is another question.

Just a thought, thoreau, you may have documents to help out here, did the 'decline' begin not long after the last modgate? I was registered but barely a lurker at that point. Would be doubly interesting if that was engineered to make way for a different 'mind-set' of mod.

though cowards flinch and traitors snear we`ll keep the red flag flying here .


a bit of icke debunked video
https://youtu.be/Dk9aDP43aJU?t=7m13s

wake_up_bomb wrote:

mushy wrote:
Roddy Frame was my inspiration to learn the guitar way back in 1983

dogsmilk wrote:

dogsmilk wrote: You have to admit that it's rather difficult for anyone to come up with a credible or creditable argument in favour of this, let alone for them.

I was, however, genuinely hoping they might have something to say about the politics of the Nazis, I thought they might have a view on the infamous Reichstag fire - they don't. I thought they might have an opinion on TNOTLK - they don't. I thought they might have some defence of the way Hitler seized power undemocratically and then dissolved the political process - someone who shall remain nameless as he's not here to defend himself attempted to respond to this, but the German document that they provided simply confirmed what I knew already. I, however, was told that I'm not allowed an opinion on what Hitler stands for unless I've read one particular German edition of Mein Kampf that is no longer even printed. Aparrently the widely available English version is a deliberate mistranslation.

@dub the video is taking forever literally have thousands of screenies and am going through each one indivdually to remove any thing that may breach privacy and highlighting the offending sentences - doesnt help that I didnt save them in chronological order and as more was added to threads screenshotted as I saw - which means for continuity I am having to puzzle out what goes with what - it is coming together though.

@oioioi I have been also been going back and screenying stuff from the start onwards - I am hampered somewhat due to not having socked up I cannot see the sections for members only - I am not going to sock up as the temptation to get sucked into challenging the hateful stuff will be enormous knowing me. I have plenty of screenies like I said above - but if anyone has any to share feel free to pm me.

@wub - I have always been concerned with a msm backlash against the growing popularity of the conspiracy sphere - as icke and lawful rebellion etc becomes more popular anything that can be used to attempt to sway people away will be - I am aware that cries of anti semitism and racism are used in order to smear but as I have said before on here and ickes it is difficult to use that as an argument when there is anti semitism and racism evidenced as being not only present but unchallenged by those with the power to remove it.

With the warman court case still going (unless I am mistaken) can you imagine the field day those wishing to say that icke promotes anti semitism would have with rodins posts alone?

To be completely honest if free speech really was sacrosanct on ickes I would probably not feel half as aggrieved as I do about the whole situtation as I am a believer in free speech (not hate speech) but whilst free speech continues to be arbitrary I cannot accept that as a reason as to why the stuff that is clearly present is tolerated.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
LOL - you should ask flyermay about that Mein Kamf business. He busted tinyint's bullshit on that one. He did a really interesting comparison of the different editions. When he's back I'm sure he'll comment. I know you're referring to tinybrain because he seems to think he's the only person in the entire world who speaks German. I think they really know they have to play up to crazy fashionable ideas like totalitarian dictatorships just aren't cricket. I think there's a certain pleasing irony to it - like all this political correctness business - the crux of it is they're really trying to suggest it's not politically correct to call a spade a spade. How dare you call me a Nazi! I experience you labelling me on the basis of my idolisation of Hitler and pathological hatred of Jewish people as oppressive. Next they'll be demanding they're referred to as 'people of national socialist orientation' and demanding recognition of fascism as a valid lifestyle choice.

That Resistance is the worst. He dances round it apparently thinking everyone else is an idiot and doesn't clock him for what he is. At least Hadaka Jimmy said what he believed outright.

Sean is on the same side as Ex-Sheep and Weeman: allow pro-Nazism and anti-Semitism (as long as it's not technically racism ; which many times it is); and remove all evidences that the DI Forum is turning into... well, into what's turning: a pro-Nazi and anti-Semitic platform for people who think Stormfront is still to heavy for them.

A couple of months ago, when I realised all this, I opened a poll (the last thread I opened on that forum) asking if the DIF was increasingly pro-Nazi and anti-Semitic. Sean was so scared of the obvious result, that didn't wait 1 hour to, not only shut down the thread, but completely erasing it from existence; after which he sent me a warning for trolling , and the only possible answer to the poll: "No, the David Icke forum is not increasingly pro-Nazi or anti-Semitic".

How about that for David Icke's free speech? How about that for complying with their own rules (when things don't turn as they like)?

It's Nazi style censorship all over again: allow any propaganda that favours their views, and erase all evidences of the contrary; sending the perpetrators to shut them up in the nearest concentration camp (i.e. banned or suspended) under any pretext (they make the lays as it's convenient in every case).

And why do I even care?... Simply because they are actively brainwashing good people towards something they don't really want under false pretexts and using all sorts of lies and propaganda (as every fascist does).

I'm sure that sad bastard steppewar was involled some how!

And as for sean anyone that use the argument that Jews are not really Semites so it isn't anti semitism is on thin ground.

dantesrevival wrote:
Do you want to know who was the bastard who started all this?... that little Neo-Nazi wannabe Zephirod, who's always hanging around the pro-Nazi and the anti-Semitic threads to join in against anyone who contradicts their delusions.

He was the one who first called for my ban; followed by Resistance (the one who supposedly loves "Free Speech" so much).

Another sock banned

And e_s positively (see what I did there?) lauding it up.

Give em an inch......

Flyermay wrote:
Guess who my sock got banned for 'attacking'?

Flyermay wrote: Obviously people have had run-ins with Resistance, I can only say from my side that he's always been very decent towards to me, and I do believe him to be a genuine person. I may not agree with him on certain issues, but I think he genuinely does believe in free speech.

I guess it's easy to get sucked into conflict, whether you have the best intentions or not, so I've just decided to avoid that from now on, that's why I think you should just ignore them and let them get on with it. They will ultimately reap what they sow, which is very little.