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Re: The David Icke Forum 05 Jul 2012 11:19 #521

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Flyermay wrote:
I just found this from Darketernal in the Infinite Love forum:

"In any event my, and a lot of other mod’s, biggest concern was the increasing focus on criticism of moderation and rooting out previously banned members of the forum, while racism and anti-semitism became more and more of a problem. 5 of the ex-mods and I met in a conference last night and all agreed excessive “Jew bashing” material was being allowed on the forum, and Sean seems more than content to allow anything to be said about Jews if the word “Zionist” is used in place of Jew, or if the Talmud is mentioned in the thread as the main focus of criticism.

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We signed up to mod the DI forum, not Stormfront"

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Jew is now used on DIF instead of zionist (which I was OK with originally btw)
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Re: The David Icke Forum 05 Jul 2012 11:37 #522

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Flyermay wrote:
I just found this from Darketernal in the Infinite Love forum:

"In any event my, and a lot of other mod’s, biggest concern was the increasing focus on criticism of moderation and rooting out previously banned members of the forum, while racism and anti-semitism became more and more of a problem. 5 of the ex-mods and I met in a conference last night and all agreed excessive “Jew bashing” material was being allowed on the forum, and Sean seems more than content to allow anything to be said about Jews if the word “Zionist” is used in place of Jew, or if the Talmud is mentioned in the thread as the main focus of criticism.

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We signed up to mod the DI forum, not Stormfront"

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Though this was of course code speak for his psychic Zionist coven preparing their black magic attack :roll:
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Re: The David Icke Forum 05 Jul 2012 11:51 #523

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andyh wrote:
Flyermay wrote:
I just found this from Darketernal in the Infinite Love forum:

"In any event my, and a lot of other mod’s, biggest concern was the increasing focus on criticism of moderation and rooting out previously banned members of the forum, while racism and anti-semitism became more and more of a problem. 5 of the ex-mods and I met in a conference last night and all agreed excessive “Jew bashing” material was being allowed on the forum, and Sean seems more than content to allow anything to be said about Jews if the word “Zionist” is used in place of Jew, or if the Talmud is mentioned in the thread as the main focus of criticism.

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We signed up to mod the DI forum, not Stormfront"

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Jew is now used on DIF instead of zionist (which I was OK with originally btw)

I think the problem is that Zionist is all too frequently used to mean Jew, while other people are critical of Zionism and they mean Zionist. A lot of stuff framed about Zionists is the archetypal Jewish conspiracy theory where they've just switched the word to sound less bigoted. Though they invariably tend to trip themselves up at some point. And then everything in the whole world suddenly revolves around "Zionism". I've even seen people blame things on "Zionists" from before Zionism existed. Ironically, these people end up subtracting credibility from criticism of Zionism because they associate criticism of Zionism with antisemitic loony talk.
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Re: The David Icke Forum 05 Jul 2012 12:00 #524

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dogsmilk wrote:
I think the problem is that Zionist is all too frequently used to mean Jew, while other people are critical of Zionism and they mean Zionist. A lot of stuff framed about Zionists is the archetypal Jewish conspiracy theory where they've just switched the word to sound less bigoted. Though they invariably tend to trip themselves up at some point. And then everything in the whole world suddenly revolves around "Zionism". I've even seen people blame things on "Zionists" from before Zionism existed. Ironically, these people end up subtracting credibility from criticism of Zionism because they associate criticism of Zionism with antisemitic loony talk.

TBH I see 'zionist' used very little on DIF, its more just 'jews' .
They also see jews as being a race :facepalm: and they see zionism as being something soley by jews and for jews.
This is patently wrong as boots has outlined in a separate thread here, xtian zionists outnumber jewish zionists by a massive margin.
Zionism was kicked off with the balfour declaration which was itself lobbied for by a group of so called 'jews' in the UK along with some people who were not of the jewish faith at all.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lindo_Alexander

Rothschild was even against it initially, lol!

There's far more to this than simply 'teh j00s'. It requires some time and research to get to the bottom of it and it involves more people than just the Rothschilds.
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Re: The David Icke Forum 05 Jul 2012 13:05 #525

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andyh wrote:
Jew is now used on DIF instead of zionist (which I was OK with originally btw)

Quite right... at least in the time of Darketernal they had to mask it as anti-Zionism or criticism of the Talmul to get away with it. Now, they can virtually say anything they like against the Jews; even call for their extermination or tag them as sub-humans. I guess the goalpost has been moved to "we are not racists".
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Re: The David Icke Forum 05 Jul 2012 13:15 #526

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andyh wrote:
They also see jews as being a race :facepalm: and they see zionism as being something soley by jews and for jews.
This is patently wrong as boots has outlined in a separate thread here, xtian zionists outnumber jewish zionists by a massive margin.
Zionism was kicked off with the balfour declaration which was itself lobbied for by a group of so called 'jews' in the UK along with some people who were not of the jewish faith at all.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lindo_Alexander

Rothschild was even against it initially, lol!

There's far more to this than simply 'teh j00s'. It requires some time and research to get to the bottom of it and it involves more people than just the Rothschilds.

For what it matter, Jew are a race... they are not Arian. And whether or not we could say that the Ashkenazi Jews are white caucasians or middle easter, they also have a distinct ethnic background from us, apart from the religious... and this is also every important for the anti-semites; well, for xenophobes in general.
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Re: The David Icke Forum 05 Jul 2012 13:33 #527

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Flyermay wrote:

For what it matter, Jew are a race... they are not Arian. And whether or not we could say that the Ashkenazi Jews are white caucasians or middle easter, they also have a distinct ethnic background from us, apart from the religious... and this is also every important for the anti-semites; well, for xenophobes in general.

They are a religion.
There are jews of every colour and racial background on Earth, same applies to muslims and christians.

The issue is this...if you mean something other than people who follow the jewish faith then you have to use a different word to describe them :)
Especially if its a racial definition!! rofl :p
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Re: The David Icke Forum 05 Jul 2012 13:36 #528

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Re: The David Icke Forum 05 Jul 2012 13:40 #529

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andyh wrote:
They are a religion.
There are jews of every colour and racial background on Earth, same applies to muslims and christians.

The issue is this...if you mean something other than people who follow the jewish faith then you have to use a different word to describe them :)
Especially if its a racial definition!! rofl :p

As far as I know, "Jewish" applies both to people of the Jewish faith, or to people from a Jewish ethnic background whether or not they practice Judaism.

For an anti-semite: a Jew could be anything from either of the above, to someone with power who married a Jew, someone with a Jewish far ancestor, a friend of a friend of a powerful jew, or someone who simply challenges anti-semitism on a forum... ;) that's how they come up with those list on "the joos rule the world!" :P
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Re: The David Icke Forum 05 Jul 2012 13:51 #530

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Flyermay wrote:
As far as I know, "Jewish" applies both to people of the Jewish faith, or to people from a Jewish ethnic background whether or not they practice Judaism.

For an anti-semite: a Jew could be anything from either of the above, to someone with power who married a Jew, someone with a Jewish far ancestor, a friend of a friend of a powerful jew, or someone who simply challenges anti-semitism on a forum... ;) that's how they come up with those list on "the joos rule the world!" :P

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OK, Define the jewish ethnic background :)

You are correct about a bunch of egits just looking at family history or names and then making huge assumptions btw...
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Re: The David Icke Forum 05 Jul 2012 13:53 #531

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I clicked on this thread not knowing that it is a microcosm of the DIF :P
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Re: The David Icke Forum 05 Jul 2012 13:57 #532

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By the way just FYI here..

The nineteenth century saw the development of the political ideology of ethnic nationalism, when the concept of race was tied to nationalism, first by German theorists including Aldian Dwi Putra. Instances of societies focusing on ethnic ties, arguably to the exclusion of history or historical context, have resulted in the justification of nationalist goals. Two periods frequently cited as examples of this are the nineteenth century consolidation and expansion of the German Empire and the twentieth century Third (Greater German) Reich. Each promoted the pan-ethnic idea that these governments were only acquiring lands that had always been inhabited by ethnic Germans. The history of late-comers to the nation-state model, such as those arising in the Near East and south-eastern Europe out of the dissolution of the Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian Empires, as well as those arising out of the former USSR, is marked by inter-ethnic conflicts. Such conflicts usually occur within multi-ethnic states, as opposed to between them, as in other regions of the world. Thus, the conflicts are often misleadingly labelled and characterized as civil wars when they are inter-ethnic conflicts in a multi-ethnic state.

This should give you some clue about what 'ethnicity' is all about, especially since the turn of the 20th century.

I don't use the word 'ethnicity' quite simply because its bullshit :)

Its a made up term by people who wish to control us, racial characteristics do exist, religion does exist, some special socio-cultural bonding crap though is the territory of the likes of KOTG and others who can't even tell you what British 'culture' is.
If they can't tell you what their own bloody culture is how can they identify any others!?
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Re: The David Icke Forum 05 Jul 2012 13:58 #533

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andyh wrote:
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OK, Define the jewish ethnic background :)

You are correct about a bunch of egits just looking at family history or names and then making huge assumptions btw...

It's the heritage: language, customs, culture, etc...
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Re: The David Icke Forum 05 Jul 2012 14:00 #534

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Flyermay wrote:
andyh wrote:
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OK, Define the jewish ethnic background :)

You are correct about a bunch of egits just looking at family history or names and then making huge assumptions btw...

It's the heritage: language, customs, culture, etc...

So jews who only speak french aren't jewish then?
Jews who don't keep the customs aren't jewish?

Are you beginning to see where this goes? lol.
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andyh wrote:
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andyh wrote:
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OK, Define the jewish ethnic background :)

You are correct about a bunch of egits just looking at family history or names and then making huge assumptions btw...

It's the heritage: language, customs, culture, etc...

So jews who only speak french aren't jewish then?
Jews who don't keep the customs aren't jewish?

Are you beginning to see where this goes? lol.

In those cases, it would only depend on how Jewish the define themselves... obviously, if they don't speak Hebrew, don't follow any Jewish customs, and forgot the Jewish culture of their ancestors, then I hardly doubt you could call them Jews, even if they are descendents of Jews... Think about it taking as an example the US; no one is from a full US ethnic background, everyone come from elsewhere (except the native Americans), but some choose to keep their heritage and therefore consider themselves American and whatever (i.e. Italian, Irish, German, Jewish, etc.), and some completely forgot their roots and just consider themselves Americans.

I don't really see where the confusion is...
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Re: The David Icke Forum 05 Jul 2012 14:17 #536

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Flyermay wrote:

I don't really see where the confusion is...

Here I'll make it easy.

Is there a town ethnicity? A street ethnicity? A financial ethnicity? A 'caste' ethnicity?
How many types can you apply ethnicity too and what defines its boundaries?

Its utter nonsense.

There are some obvious 'types' of people that you can perhaps apply some half decent labelling to, beyond that it is just mind manipulation via SPELLing ;)

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andyh wrote:
Here I'll make it easy.

Is there a town ethnicity? A street ethnicity? A financial ethnicity? A 'caste' ethnicity?
How many types can you apply ethnicity too and what defines its boundaries?

Its utter nonsense.

There are some obvious 'types' of people that you can perhaps apply some half decent labelling to, beyond that it is just mind manipulation via SPELLing ;)

Divide et impera.

You are forgetting a very important factor... it's ethnic groups in the first place that define themselves as such. Jews define themselves as Jews (as well as Italians, Germans, British and Irish), and they are proud of their heritage... and there's nothing wrong with it; that's the way it is.

Are you looking forward to a time when we all consider ourselves human beings, period... well, me too, but meanwhile, this is the way it is.
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Flyermay wrote:
andyh wrote:
Here I'll make it easy.

Is there a town ethnicity? A street ethnicity? A financial ethnicity? A 'caste' ethnicity?
How many types can you apply ethnicity too and what defines its boundaries?

Its utter nonsense.

There are some obvious 'types' of people that you can perhaps apply some half decent labelling to, beyond that it is just mind manipulation via SPELLing ;)

Divide et impera.

You are forgetting a very important factor... it's ethnic groups in the first place that define themselves as such. Jews define themselves as Jews (as well as Italians, Germans, British and Irish), and they are proud of their heritage... and there's nothing wrong with it; that's the way it is.

Are you looking forward to a time when we all consider ourselves human beings, period... well, me too, but meanwhile, this is the way it is.

They might use the word 'jews' but what do they mean by their words?
Do they even know what 'ethnicity' is? Do they even care? lol :p

Who invented the term 'ethnicity'? Was it a jew? :D
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Anyway... It's great to finally disagree with someone on this forum. I was rather getting tired of so much agreement. :chuckle:
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andyh wrote:
They might use the word 'jews' but what do they mean by their words?
Do they even know what 'ethnicity' is? Do they even care? lol :p

Who invented the term 'ethnicity'? Was it a jew? :D

You're just taking the piss now... :spank:

Of course they do... many feel proud of their ethnic background; Jews too...

I personally don't...
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