I'll go even further, this is where it gets truly laughably obvious...

eth·nic (thnk)
adj.
1.
a. Of, relating to, or characteristic of a sizable group of people sharing a common and distinctive racial, national, religious, linguistic, or cultural heritage.
(So what happens if you have more than 1 racial type in the same country? What if you have more than 1 religion in the same country?)
b. Being a member of a particular ethnic group, especially belonging to a national group by heritage or culture but residing outside its national boundaries: ethnic Hungarians living in northern Serbia.
(ummm could that be expats by any chance? )

2. Relating to a people not Christian or Jewish. (WTF W0000ttt!! Any alarm bells going off yet?)
n.
A member of a particular ethnic group, especially one who maintains the language or customs of the group.
(what if they have jewish 'ethnicity' but have neither the jewish language nor customs nor religion!?)

[C14 (in the senses: heathen, Gentile): from Late Latin ethnicus, from Greek ethnikos, from ethnos race]

Heathen? Gentile? Hmmmmmmmmm...

I think the Jewish culture has survived more intact than the original gene pool.

Flyermay wrote:
As you can see from the above early definition, it has its basis on religious grounds.

The nationalist bullshit came later on.

You only need see oi's thread on DIF where he asked the nazi's to describe british culture and watch the crickets chirping to see how this is all 1 big con

I think the title of this thread has caused confusion

Why oh why anyone would want to have the same argument that has been done ad infinitum at the thread's namesake is beyond me

Especially in the absence of teh anti j00s

It's too much for dub to take. It's obsession bordering on insanity. I'm off for a wank.

andyh wrote:
You misunderstood the definition, it's OR, not AND... so it's racial OR national OR religious OR linguistic OR cultural.
andyh wrote:
Jesus... those are alternative meanings!!!!...

dubmeup wrote:
Well, this thread is titled The David Icke Forum, after all... it's just natural that we continue with the spirit of that forum in here.

Flyermay wrote:
Not if you read the OP and the first few pages

dubmeup wrote:
Agreed.

It was meant as a joke...

Anyway... I still think it's an interesting subject; even if it's done til boredom.

Flyermay wrote:
No...the 14th century definition was the earlier one, come on flyer you're not daft
The alternative definition there is simply the earlier one.

The newer one according to you can mean nationality OR culture OR race OR language.
Can you not see how totally futile and stupid that is?

andyh wrote:
That's irrelevant... we are not talking about ethnicity in the sense it was talked about in the 14th century, nor we are talking about it as it was originally meant to be used... we are talking about ethnicity as it is defined in the 21st century; what is widely accepted today as ethnicity.

When you speak, do you make sure your words didn't mean anything else in the 14th century?... of course not, you attempt to express ideas that people today will understand; whatever they meant centuries ago. If we talk about ethnicity, there's no confusion on what we are really talking about; we are talking about today's meaning, which everyone understands.
andyh wrote:
No... as I said before, it's for those ethnic groups in the first place to define themselves however they like; whether it is based on language, culture or nationality. Where is the problem?

There's nothing sinister about it, there's not wrong about, and it's not a bad thing... it's just how it is; we do come from different ethnicities -defined by culture, language and/or nationality-... I don't see why you make such a big fuzz about it.

Flyermay wrote: And yet the older definition has definite implications for specifically 'jewish ethnicity' does it not.
You did note the specific mention of 'goyim' yeah?

When you speak, do you make sure your words didn't mean anything else in the 14th century?... of course not, you attempt to express ideas that people today will understand; whatever they meant centuries ago. If we talk about ethnicity, there's no confusion on what we are really talking about; we are talking about today's meaning, which everyone understands.
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Damn right but here's the problem...
andyh wrote:
The problem is you plonker...you are trying to define people using a definition that has no meaning.

If ethnicity means nationality OR culture OR race OR language then what the hell are you left with?

You may aswell just say human beings, its real easy if you try!!!
/prods flyer and grins

psketti wrote:
lol, did you get your eye fixed by the way? :p

andyh wrote:
Yeah... can't you see me seeing you then mr andy?

psketti wrote:
Heh, the daft thing is I thought you had changed your avatar.
Believe it or not the pupil on it looks smudged on my pc at home but sharp on the one at work.
I'm putting it down to jpeg compression/different OS etc.

andyh wrote:
Or maybe it's that in the privacy of your man cave, gazing on sketti's eye prompts you to engage in an activity which makes your own eyes go all squinty?

dubmeup wrote:
Just the eye no, what transpired in chat though might have been another thing!

andyh wrote:


... I'm not even gonna warrent that with a bloody response

psketti wrote:
You just did