thoreau wrote: Yes, I thought it said that - but thought it was just me being thick

- also what's with the DI tennants stuff - is he no teetotal yoga-ing vegan then? (I have much to learn, it seems!)

thoreau wrote:

unmasked wrote:

Anyone who looks on the powercut website www.ukpowernetworks.co.uk/faultmap/External_Iview.html

Will see that other areas of london have had cuts, and I would imagine they're regular things. Wont surprise me if wembley was to get another one at some time in the future same as other areas will again.

It's a bugger having your anti establishment TV station being at the mercy of the establishment.
May I suggest they run a you tube channel on a laptop fed by a solar panel and leisure battery?

its all over the msm that we are facing energy problems. some tory arse even said it would be a good thing for us to have blackouts in winter so we 'got' how dire the situation is. something about needing to phase out coal and update nuclear. So whilst i have no doubts the blackouts are part of an agenda to turn us for fracking and nuclear energy shite I dont think dave and are on the radar.

I think there is one thing to bear in mind, and it doesn't mean that I don't endorse what is being said here which I obviously do. I just googled 'banned david icke forum' as someone else mentioned, and this thread was one of the top links:

www.stormfront.org/forum/t875074/

Which is someone on Stormfront complaining about being banned from the DIF for being racist, so it's worth bearing in mind that we all have a different perspective on what is going on.

One of the amusing things about the OP in that thread is that the poster stated the following:
You are a Stormfronter, you're posting on Stormfront! What better definition could there be of a Stormfronter?!

I'm not saying there haven't been nefarious goings on, quite obviously there have been, but it's always worth remembering that people often become very self-absorbed by what they're involved in and can't see the woods for the trees. Actually the 'far-right' is a great example of this. We all view them as a bunch of evil, knuckle-dragging idiots and can't understand what they're playing at, but most people involved in it genuinely believe that they're doing the right thing and that their ideas are completely sound.

I'm not saying there hasn't been a cull, there obviously has, and I'm not saying that some bad things haven't happened, they have, all I am saying is that our perception of things is very much coloured by our perspective. If you read the Stormfront thread, you will read some unbelievable, stultifying nonsense, but the fact is that they genuinely believe that they're being discriminated against. Obviously from our perspective that is ridiculous. Other elements of the thread are undoubtedly more reasonable.

Actually don't read it, you'll lose the will to live.

That thread's OP is nearly two years old though wub so not related to this current purge.

knobmeup wrote: It's not specifically relevant, obviously what has happened is wrong, I'm just saying that it's easy to view the actions of others as being 'evil' (for want of a better word). It's easy to view the DIF mods as behaving in a very calculated fashion, and I believe to some extent that they have, all I am saying is that sometimes as human-beings we get bogged down in certain behaviours / views, etc, and can't see the woods for the trees.

I would view Stormfront, EDL, BNP, etc, as completely mental, but there are people who are involved with them, a lot of people, that genuinely believe in it, genuinely believe that they're doing the right thing. Hard though it may be to believe, it's quite possible than the DIF mods actually think they're doing the right thing. That seems ridiculous from our perspective, but I'm just pointing out that many different perspectives exist.

From the perspective of people on Stormfront they think we're brainwashed for not agreeing with them, and that they're discriminated against, and that if they all work hard at it eventually everyone will see the light and agree with them. It's easy when you're able to take a step back to see how ludicrous this is, but sometimes you're not in a position to take a step back. Similarly, it's self-evident to us that to go round banning a load of people that have done little or nothing wrong is ridiculous, but if you're not able to take that same step back...

wake_up_bomb wrote:
I think you've missed a massive point here mate, we're critical free thinkers

Alarm bells may never ring for the stormfronters, but those at DIF are there for a reason. Sooner or later it'll click, I just happened to missed the action first and second time around.

Have you seen the junk that is being 'aired' on TPV... thought i would have a quick mooch, my god! it's worse than amateur.

They say that if you left a thousand monkeys in room full of a thousand typewriters for a thousand years, then you could end up with the works of Shakespeare, on that level, TPV have grabbed a mangy 'runt of the litter' monkey , given it some paint and all its done is shit all over the walls in whatever enima inducing colours were made available then proceded to bash its own brains out in the pain of the knowledge of its own shitness.

It takes real commitment to insult every single donor in such a blatantly obvious way.

I do get what you are saying wub and quite possibly the mods over there do think they are doing the right thing.
Words like, the ends justifying the means and loyalty probably being involved in the rationale.
They are there to moderate Icke's forum. They can hardly tolerate major dissent of Icke and stay in the position can they.
Heck, ask Gilly about it As a mod, she did dissent.......

But that really is me giving them the benefit of the doubt.

TPV was always predominantly about Icke ltd expanding its profile. Cleverly done at others expense. If they've known they can get away with shit in the past by simply banning dissenting or questioning voices they've learned it can work..... just sweep it all under the carpet & it will go away.
I'm sure they'd close this place down if they could. I'm surprised they haven't started mithering about removing the 'David Icke' bit from our searches.

SilvaRizla wrote:
to be fair I think wub has a good point. If the dif mods truly believe what they are doing is the right thing to do, no matter how unfathomable it may be to me they are just doing what I am in standing up for 'their' truth.

That is the problem with a lack of transparency and hierarchical culture imho. When only some people have some of the facts and others are left to surmise things purely from their own perspective it leads to massive conflict that could be avoided. Complete transparency will never please everyone all the time but it can add context to an otherwise context confused situation.

Space Bandit wrote: Icke would have to copyright his name SB. Then we could just infringe on his copyright. It seems the fashionable thing to do in alt circles

I'm pretty sure that you cant trademark an actual name, as such no one has exclusivity over it...
Plus, TPV is non profit making, and arguably running on donation, therefore, no damage can be done to its reputation by another site using the keywords...
Although I am open to the slim to massive chance that i'm completely wrong...
It would be fun having him explain the lizards and fake hologram spaceship moon to a judge though

mdmac wrote:
FMOTL types argue that you can copyright your name.
TPV may be not for profit, the DIF is profitable though I'm sure, judging by their attitude to those of us that "steal traffic" from them

knobmeup wrote:

knobmeup wrote: I'm not saying you should give them the benefit of the doubt, all of the evidence would point to the opposite, but you've put some of the possible motivations extremely well there yourself. Just keep your mind open to all possibilities.

It's also the hardest thing in the world to admit you're wrong. It's hard to just admit that you're wrong about something trivial, but to actually concede that your heartfelt, core beliefs and thus behaviour has been wrong...not many people can do it. There are probably a few of the very small number of people in society on here who actually can.

So that's one possible reason you get the DIF moderators repeating the same culling behaviour all over again. We view it as being gratuitous and plain wrong, but they may very well be justifying it to themselves and considering it to be the right thing to do, just like the people on Stormfront believe they're right to try to help a very misguided 18 year-old convince his girlfriend that Adolf Hitler was a good guy and didn't gas any Jews (which was the top thread on there when I just viewed their forum) even though this will quite clearly end their relationship.thoreau wrote: Absolutely agree, it's also about accountability. You get no accountability in hierarchical structures because there are no consequences to the actions of people with power.

I can imagine how disgruntled they were though.....
an alternative David Icke forum
= no cashing in.... & stuff being said that they can't control.