Mild Peril you said you want to debate about David Icke's books ok then let's do it.

No conspiracy author compares to David Icke.

None of them have as wide an understanding of the subjects of the conspiracy as David Icke.

No historians have the courage to write about freemasonry, secret socieities, the Catholic church and true spirituality.

Nobody except history graduates knows anything about history, so conspiracies which were covered up at the time have never been unearthed, except in the work of David Icke.

There are many examples of this in his books if you want me the quote them.

So what is your problem with his books and who do you think is better?

Jouissance wrote:
I never said I 'want' to, but I said I will

There's a lot of questions and statements all at once there. If you break it down a little bit and take it one line at a time, then maybe we can get a discussion going.

Over to you.

Infinite Love is the only truth everything else is illusion.

So do you agree if the world channelled infinite love consciousness, unconditional love consciousness even to their enemies, the world would immediately improve because people would care about each other, not speculate against each other, manipulate each other, or focus on being positive not negative?

Sorry to intrude, MP, but Jouissance, have you watched Icke's most recent vids requesting money? If so, how do you reconcile his behaviour with what you've just quoted from him?

And if not, may I suggest that you watch them?

I was thinking that Gilly, not a lot of infinite love in those videos.

Gilly wrote:
Nothing David has said is not true.

This is a fundamental time in human history, humanity has to make a choice, freedom or fascism.

Icke is helping to stop more people follow negativity into hell by highlighting the problems we face.

Have you forgotten how the banks create money out of thin air?

Jouissance wrote:
Are you referring to the book that he wrote under duress, or the statement?

DI books are awful, rambling and full of groundless speculation with little if anything in the way of references. His idea of research is reading some other esoteric books and putting his own spin on it. Haven't read the latest one, as the "moonbase alpha" stuff put me off, the lizard aliens were bad enough in the earlier books ffs. Glad I never bought any of them and just downloaded them

In the interest of fairness however, DI is not alone in producing barely coherent nonsense and packaging it as books, ever read Alan Watts book? Absolute rubbish, you would not believe it was the same guy writing that shit (some say he didn't and it was all plagiarised, who knows). In fact I can't think of any decent books written by any of the big troofers

The message permeates all of David Icke's books.

Which you would know if you had read any of them.

Which do you proclaim to have read, I have all of them.

Jouissance wrote:
Many things David has said are not true.

But the question I asked, was how do you reconcile his (aggressive, insulting, demanding, scare-mongering, emotional blackmailing, demented) behaviour on the vids with the statement quoted.

That's apart from the point that he's not presenting anything that people can't already see free on the internet already for free.

And it's apart from the point that the only people likely to watch TPV are those already interested in these subjects - there's zero evidence that the people he lovingly calls 'sheeple' are likely to watch it. Hence his claim to be single-handedly saving the human race is shite.

Jouissance wrote:
That kind of answers itself though, doesn't it?

Although I guess it does depend on the outcome you would like to see in the world and what kind of individual that you are. And being quite a loving sort myself, then yes, it would change the world for the better.

Gilly wrote:
It's not my thread, crack on

Jouissance wrote:
There are a couple of probs here for me

fascism ? people are being banned from david icke forums for a difference of opinion , or asking questions , this is one of the main points that you are failing to grasp

Banks thin air and money , hmmmmmm

why does icke need it so bad ?

@ David

Nobody is denying your "brilliant" research ok. Just your Messiah complex is so out-dated. If you think that you're the ONLY one who can save us all, then you're deluding yourself. I give you credit though, you did wake up alot of folks, especially with your latest video and the ongoing censorship in your forum. So, Thank You!

scaltura wrote:
Have you any idea how expensive the Isle of Wight ferry is?

Gilly wrote:
Rather cutting I must say , but oh so true

Why are people on the Icke forums if they have a difference of opinion Scaltura?

People are banned for persistant trolling and for being enemies of the truth.

Don't you think it is hard to start a truth tv station, where you attempt to show the accepted reality of 9/11 is a hollywood creation?

So why do you try and oppose David still?

Don't you want the people to learn the whole banking system is controlled by 13 families?

Sometimes I wonder who's side most people are on, yes freedom may be a constant struggle, but those who aren't willing to struggle don't deserve any freedom!

Gilly wrote:
Infinite love is the only truth. Everything else is illusion.

This forum is our collective struggle for forum freedom