Watch it!

So, anyways, if a thread gets temporarily derailed, people can just resume where they left off from the topic.

feather wrote:

The importance of this cannot be stressed enough and even more so if these subjects are to be explored indepth on this forum. If that entails alot of derailment and tangents going off in all directions, then so be it.

Focus, there is no way that the thread was thread jacked, as it was also being discussed what is not acceptable by DIF/TPV moderation, including Spivey and Maloney.

What appeared on Spivey's webpage is quite similar to a lot of shite that appears on DIF with reference to child molestation.

I agree it occurs and needs to be looked for, seeked out, during this seeking out, surely if evidence is displayed that shows illusions of facts, IE 'unregistered vehicles' on both occasions, then the story has no fact, simply to state the thread 'hijacked' because the evidence displays a lack of credible fact is a lame ass excuse, how about '';yeah it was another heap of crap thanks for pointing it out';.

It's often noticeable for those who's views are shown to be wrong or not credible in relation to a report of discussion, when the detail is discussed to show the lack of credibility to the report, they start with 'bogged down with detail'...or.... thread jacked....or discuss this elsewhere, you were not calling for that until your view on the detail was shown to be wrong.

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Blue_Tackler wrote
It's meant to be a silver hatchback Peugeot with a 2002 number plate. according to the webpage supplied by musky it's UK registration.
There is an outside chance it could be brand new, but that means brand spanking new, and as you say the dealer would have sorted that.

I don't see that it would fit any of the other categories, being a hatchback Peugeot it's hardly going to be turned into something else radically.

So which of the categories that you listed are you proposing that it might be?
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[/quote] Focus wrote

Old? new? fake? unregistered? Who knows?

What haunts me is the amount of child abuse that's going on, and has been for a very long time.

It reminds of the saying that when good men do nothing, evil flourishes.

The situation is very disturbing.[/quote]
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Blue_Tackler wrote

The issue here is a witness that nobody can verify has identified two cars that nobody can verify, as I said previously if somebody Identified a car that was involved in a crime and it came out to be 'unidentified' as per registration details, then perhaps so, but then if they identified a second car, owned by a second person, and that too was 'unidentified' as per registration details, how many times would this unknown person who claims to be mind controlled identify unregistered cars before everyone can agree it's a lie, tbh I'm there already

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Focus wrote
Focus wrote:
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Nobody said they TPV DIF had done so, however what this document is is a good example of the lack of credible evidence that is proposed as child abuse/molestation evidence on DIF.
I'm quite sure the 'Savile thread' and 'Anders' were being discussed without allegations of thread hijacking, this has been an excellent example of how some posters like to cling to a story until it shows that the story is not credible, they then call for the derailment card to be played.

Blue_Tackler wrote:
Just to point out that as far as I am aware, this Spivey article has never been posted, discussed, or used as 'credible evidence' on DIF.

As for TPV and its coverage on child abuse, it is virtually non existent and particularly since Sonia Poulton has left. For me, that was the one subject I hoped would be explored and I am disappointed that they do not see it as a priority topic. There is NO issue more important than the protection of our children.

Blue_Tackler wrote:
You've got the wrong poster, I'm afraid. You will find I arrived to the party quite late. My one sum contribution was posting a DVLA link which shows that not all cars show on the register, which in the pursuit of fact is right, surely?? I might be wrong, but it does seem you didn't like that little piece of fact being pointed out?
And those weren't my words by the way, but for some reason you keep attributing them to me despite my quotation and DVLA link

Also, I'm not against people questioning things, I just feel the thread has been derailed, and there was nothing preventing someone starting a thread sorely to discuss the legitimacy of the article.
Anyhow, I won't participate further in what I see as further derailment of the thread, and this will be the last I post regarding this, at least in this thread.

Miss Behaving wrote:
I haven't watched TPV much. Most of the time I've been unable to due to their dismal system, which is always down.

I've however heard a few people say that on the whole,TPV tend to cover irrelevant, old news.

Could it be the same with this topic?

The OP did a very beautiful outline of the issues in their opening post. I was hoping to send a link of this thread to as many contacts as I can.

I think it might make a few people sit up and take notice.

Can I just say that not everybody here is or was a huge DIF poster. I go lots of forums and blogs and don't concentrate on just CSA which is what some of you have done so you perhaps see it from a different more laser beam focus than others.

I didn't come here because of DIF, I came here because of TPV.

Focus wrote:

Yes, I believe so.

For a man, that has been so very vocal about the subject throughout his career, the fact that he appears to be deliberately avoiding it now, speaks volumes.

Babs wrote:

Aye, same here

My introduction to the establishment involvement with all things CSA related was, ironically enough, down to reading Children of the Matrix many years ago. I then came across all the Holly Greg stuff.... threw myself into that for a while and as a result, fell upon all sorts of disturbing information and actually made myself quite ill over it all.
Ended up taking a year out of internet land and during that time I made an informed choice that I knew enough and decided that I didn't need to absorb anymore and certainly not anything 'detailed'. I just couldn't do it.

psketti wrote:
Indeed.

This stuff is very gruelling, isn't it just.

I've worked with people with Mental health problems. I was so shocked when I noticed there was a common denominator in almost every single person I encountered.

The vast majority had been abused as children.

This was very intriguing, but the same stories came popping up, over and over again. If it wasn't physical abuse, it was sexual abuse, and most certainly emotional abuse. Mental health institutions are full of people who were abused before they even had a chance.

If this is not a national shame, I don't know what it is. I'm sure this will be seen by future generations as one of the greatest scandals in modern history.

What's really saddens me is that these are people who given a different outcome, would have been today's doctors, Scientists, Nurses, teachers, Nurturers etc The effects of abuse can be horrific.

This is what drew me to DIF, although I never posted on the Jimmy Saville threads. I mostly followed the threads. At the time, the newspapers were starting to publish the extent of this scandal.

Like you Psketti, after a while, I stopped reading the stuff as it was very/is traumatising. At times, I felt like I was suffocating in pain, anger, rage and despair. At least I could stop reading, I can't imagine what it's like for the victims.

I want to end on a positive note, and say that some people do move on, survive, thrive and flourish.

In fact, some of the strongest people I have met are those who've been through difficult in their lives. They tend to be empathetic, understanding and tolerant, very suited to helping other people.

It's curious that TPV has ignored this topic (or any important ones) in favour of the mundane and irrelevant.

Will it's donators hold TPV to account? <slaps self on forehead for asking>

I won't be holding my breath.

psketti wrote:
I so know what you mean Psketti. I am far too sensitive and don't have the stomach to dig in too deep to this stuff but kudos for those that do for they are to be admired for actually doing something. It does make you feel helpless at times but it just does my head in and it's all just too disturbing and sickening. So it pays to be informed and aware but some of us are just not cut out for it same as some people can't be a nurse, or an ambulance person or a carer or a cop because they can't handle it.

Babs wrote:
I think it's perfectly understandable to find this stuff sickening and disturbing. It would be worrying if you didn't. Your reaction is perfectly normal, and is one that lots of other people share.

However, like any other uncomfortable truth about our World, it needs to be faced head-on. Burying heads in the sand doesn't make the problem go away. I'm not for one minute suggesting that you are, and would not encourage anyone to damage their own mental health in the process, but this is sadly happening in our local communities. Somewhere near each and every one of us, a child is living a life of turmoil. The problem is there is a cancer upon Society that is too rampant to ignore.

I don't think there are any easy answers, and typing on an Internet forum is nowt. I do think though that the answers actually lies in the ordinary people harnessing their power a little bit more. I think a lot of people have an element of learned helplessness i.e. saying things like 'there is nothing I can do', 'they are too powerful'.

Maybe, we need to explore that learned helplessness a little bit more. I think this also ties in with the expectation that TPV should do this, and that?
Could it be that we have all given away our power to Institutions such as TPV, ditto the Government, Experts, NHS etc and expect them to solve our problems for us?

Focus wrote:

So very true

Focus wrote: I think that is a whole other thread and I doubt that "'there is nothing I can do', 'they are too powerful'." is a phrase you'll see on SZ.

feather wrote:
That's the spirit!
As a newbie, I've certainly noticed that the spirit here is very different from doomy DIF. Me like it.

*double post*

Miss Behaving wrote:
I'm aware of that, however this example on Spivey's webpage, and how the lack of evidence has been ignored for the search of satanic child abuse, is very similar here to what we see about 'other' stories of proposed child abuse on DIF, which are also based on speculation.

I'm not going to go seek them out, if you ain't seen them then you ain't seen them, enough posters here have seen them, and it stinks of rumours, hearsay, gossip, speculation and lack of credible fact.
DIF don't need fact they jump to their own conclusions and use the matrix or government lies to justify doing so, please don't do that here, is the theme of my posts.
The concentrating onto these unregistered cars is me and other posters saying 'look this is unreliable evidence' .