It took me 5 wasted years to realize this...

Life is all about individual choices so if humans want to join the army and kill people that is a personal problem.

Im not going to blame any PTB or Illuminati for anything anymore Im going to just blame people.

It's people that make the weapons and it's people that shoot the guns that kill.

Blame the family of the soldier that lets their kid join the army.

I'd say that by the time someone's son or daughter is old enough to join the army, it's got very little to do with the parents.

Good point, Lesley.

I get what you are saying RA, but I think each circumstance is pretty unique actually. If you look at the broader picture, I mean, what makes joining the army a viable alternative to working in a call centre? Let alone for all those for whom it may have been a lifetime aspiration.

If 'they' do exist, surely, this is what 'they' want you to think?

I don't know that I buy the illuminati angle wholesale, but there are definitely a group of people on this planet that run tings. And they have done so for a very, very long time. If for no other reason than that 'we' let 'em.

Ab Origine wrote:
Come on Ab....(They don't want us to think we have individual responsibility to be good people?)

Les­ley you really think it has little to do with the parents? (It has alot to do with them)

RealAmerican wrote:
I see where you are coming from but it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation; which came first, the army or the soldier. I agree, I'll never have to live with the consequences of being in the army because I would never choose to be in the army. However, the armed forces have a slick marketing arm (at least in the UK) that can make it seem like an appealing option, an opportunity to train up, travel etc.

But yes, ultimately if nobody made guns or used guns there'd be no shootings.

The conspiracy movement died from (2007-2011).

Nobody can chase down invisible people forever...(KONY 2012 failure proved that)

The Diamond Jubilee says it all, people still worship royalty...

Has there ever been a massive Rothschild or Rockefeller protest ever?

No major protest ever of raytheon, lockheed martin, boeing or other major arms manufacturers.

OWS was a failure that died last Fall (2011)

London Riots was a low income joke...

Iraq war protest another Epic Failure...

Woodstock generation got older and wanted a better quality of life then being hippies after the 60's.

What more do I need to say?

This is all a human problem and TPTB is just an excuse for it.

i dunno man. theres a lot of powerful groups about that steer our thinking. do you think that the grunts are wealthy kids who just want to kill people for no reasons? no its people who need an escape, discipline, adventures, at the end of the day get paid. its us peons doing the killing. why? for who and what?

RealAmerican wrote: Honestly, I stand by what I said. Maybe it is a cultural thing and people get pressured into joining the army by their folks in the US, but I know a few people who have been in the forces. None of their families are into the army and all that sort of stuff.

oioio is right though, there is some slick marketing involved, but people are essentially adults when they are old enough to join. If I had wanted to join the army at that age I would have done it, regardless of what my parents thought. In fact, I know they would have objected, which would have definitely made me join

The way they sell it totally glosses over the fact that you have to kill people. It’s a case of yippee - travel the world, crawl around in mud and you get to mess around with explosives and guns. I can see why this appeals to people.

LesleyPumpshaft wrote:
Especially young people, when the alternative for many is 'the dole'. That's what I meant about "the bigger picture".

RA I do get what you're saying in the OP and yes, it would be the best thing ever if we all took ultimate responsibility for our actions I too see all this focus on "illuminati" as being disempowering and actually beneficial to the criminal gangs that dominate our world today.

I do think though that you have entrenched your views in a certain position though.


Ref: several days ago, you mentioned the London riots and worship of the Monarchy. It was pointed out to you that you weren't quite on the money there and here you are saying the same thing as evidence for the view you're giving here.


Just saying

Ab Origine wrote:
Definitely abs.

It's easier to be impulsive when you are younger. By this I mean that the army might be enticing and someone might not think about the whole having to kill people aspect of what's actually involved.

The enemy is mind control and social conditioning.

It takes about 10 to 15 years for each major social change to become evident which is one generation of education in the state school system.

Education is the first thing that needs to be addressed along with TV broadcasting which enforces social conditioning and influences the herd. It would take one generation of kids to be removed from state education and TV propaganda to see a major shift. The problem is that the adults responsible for educating their children have all been through the process themselves, and have been conditioned to think and react the way they have been trained.

Your statements seem to ignore the fact that people have been conditioned by the system and the system generally gets the people it wants. The minority of people who don't conform to the programming are marginalised by the herd, which is to be expected in group dynamics and is a predictable outcome.

Who is responsible for the education program? Which institutes, quangos and think tanks actually steer government education and social programs? 'Education program'? Why is the word program used? In the UK the trend in education is for schools to convert to academies which are governed by corporate sponsors. Why would that be? Tony Blair was the main driving force behind the academy model. You would think that a known war criminal such as Tony Blair promoting this would ring alarm bells with people!

Parents don't have much influence over their children's education or what they absorb from so called entertainment. Peer pressure is the single biggest influence on youth and adults. The group mind set of peers is determined by propaganda in all its forms. Who controls the propaganda machinery?

batou wrote:
This is the exact reason I made this thread and I honestly feel your response proves me to be correct.

bad choices bad choices bad choices bad chioces

The next thing after War getting blamed on the illuminati is addiction...
"The Illuminati forced me to be an alcoholic and a cigarette addict"

"The powers that be held my arms while I shot up heroin and smoked crack"

"The reptilian engine in my car will only let me drive for fast food and now i'm obese"

Why can't parents just teach their kids that rich people take advantage of the weak and stupid?

LesleyPumpshaft wrote:
Your right and that's why it's the parents responsibility to guide their kids towards peace...

RealAmerican wrote: I'm not sure I would completely agree with this, but I do think people should take responsibility for their own actions.

However, in the case of the army, the actions of the people who sign up with no understanding of what they're signing up for does impact on others who have done nothing wrong, so I don't think it's right to ignore the promoters, perpetrators and benefactors of these conflicts.

RealAmerican wrote:
You make some really good points about people taking responsibility for their behaviour. Have you really come across anyone who has actively blamed the Illuminati for their own addictions or obesity though?

I don't think it's fair to call people weak and stupid. People who aren't rich and powerful are easy targets just because they aren't rich and powerful imo.

Excellent post Frog and in the main, bang on but I'd just like to say summat about this bit:
Frog wrote:
This is an issue of parental responsibility. Parents can't decide what main stream education pushes on their children but they can present alternatives, help keep their children's minds open, provide them with bullshit detectors etc. The same thing applies with peer pressure. An interested an responsible parent will give the required time and effort to discuss this sort of thing with their offspring.
Personally, I've taken responsibility for these things with my kids and have to say that the effort has been, still is and is likely to be very worthwhile. They astound me regularly with how rounded they are. Big up them.

RealAmerican wrote:
But kids aren't little carbon copies of their parents. You can guide your kids, but ultimately you raise children to let them become an independent adult who makes their own way in life. You can't expect children to take all of their parent’s values on board.

RealAmerican wrote:
How can they be taking advantage if the individual is responsible for his/her choices? You can't have it both ways.