RealAmerican wrote:
That's weird because "The Illuminati" 1776 were founded to subvert and undermine, the dogma and hierarchy of the top 1% who at that time would have been European Nobles and the Vatican church

So do you think this Elite/1%/ultra-rich are a problem, or are they just an excuse for people to complain about having no money, no quality of life, no self determination, no security, noooooo fuuuuuture?

RealAmerican wrote:
What if the grandparents never made the parents aware? What if the great-grand parents never made the grandparents aware? Maybe great-great-great-great grandma was the last person to have this knowledge and great-great-great-great grandpa told her to shut her mouth because it was bullshit. Several generations could have been unaware and placing the blame that far back would be silly.

Most people don't even know if they live in a state where 'democratically elected officials' are really an incorporated entity. Like the US is for example. The US has been a corporation since 1871. They follow corporate law, not common law. They have a different constitution compared to the original where the language is changed to turn freedom into privilege. This incorporated US has no power outside of the borders of DC yet they have an elaborate spider web of contracts within every state. Almost every American is unknowingly bound to several of their contracts from the day they are born. I'm told it's possible to avoid Federal-anything and live outside of their corporate rule but it's probably not very easy.

This is not a secret yet most people are unaware of it. Their parents are unaware of it. They don't teach it in public schools (they do in law school) and it's the Americans responsibility to know the law. That's the excuse of the incorporated US anyways.

The establishment wants people to continue making bad choices and not thinking for themselves because they want to retain the status quo. Humans psyche is frail and people make bad choices, proper education can change that. The problem is there are different interpretations of proper education held back by perceptions and dogma and of course there is the establishment interpretation which maintains the status quo.

Guevarista wrote:
I think they are a major problem that nobody understands enough to do anything about.

It's a mystery to me and that is why I made this thread,

RealAmerican wrote:
It makes me so sad to see humans make such bad choices...

All these years I wanted to believe we (conspiracy theorist) could stop the "great evil of the world"

Now I realize there will be people who kill with drones like video games.

People love eating bad getting drunk ect...

Bad parenting that leads to suffering...

I honestly believe now that people who fail at having a good life has everything to do with family and friends.

Parents bring kids into the world they don't have the ability to nurture.

^^ (I see this all the time coaching youth sports)^^

I can't complain about a system that the majority of people don't want to change anymore.

RealAmerican wrote: It sounds like you're quite defeatist really, you seem to have these concrete perspectives like people don't wanna change the system, or change their lifestyles, maybe some are like that but not everyone.
What do you mean by ability to nurture?
Because George and Barbara Bush had most the pre-requisites required for having children, money, job, prospects, house, etc, but their Son sent many people to death as Governer of Texas and launched a bombing campaign in Iraq that killed hundreds of thousands of civilians, all of that from an orthodox upbringing by a married couple, a good education, and endless prospects for a good life.

Was the suffering of the Iraqi victims of GW Bush because of their bad parenting techniques, was their failure at living a good life because of their family and friends?

Guevarista wrote:
Im not talking about the people on this forum or people who follow conspiracy theory.

You can't compare people who use forums like this with the rest of the population.

Obviously everybody here want's the system to change. (I'm talking about the general population.)
Guevarista wrote:
Two parents together in peace not living in the ghetto who provide good nourishment and education.
Guevarista wrote:
Yes, both Bush & Hussein had bad parents with violent minds which caused alot of people getting killed.

George and Barbara Bush had violent minds so they did not meet the pre-requisites required for having children.

Why are we not blaming the parents of the people who flew the planes an dropped the bombs on Iraq?

Another perfect example of bad parenting....

RealAmerican wrote:
I can see where you're coming from. I also think that most people are essentially decent, even if I don't share their values or agree with descisions they might make in life. This in itself is enough tomake me think that things aren't so bad in the world and everything is unfolding as it should be.

On the other hand, why does it matter? I'm 35 now. if I'm very lucky I might be around for another 35 years. It's a drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things

At the pool today I listened to an obese woman talking to her kids about how great Mcdonald's is.

That's why the Illuminati is just an excuse for parents to keep mak­ing bad choices.

I know you were talking about common people in your posts, that's why I took exception to that part, people in general want change, do you think they enjoy slaving 8-10hrs a day for very little money, do you think the prospect of doing that for 60yrs fills them with joy or disgust?

People want change man, just they, like us (though maybe we're slightly ahead in at least contemplating how it would look) have been conditioned to fear the unknown, to view such things as unobtainable, or to few things in black and white terms like civilization=safe=good, nature=dangerous=bad, very little is black and white, and not much is really required to begin making some serious changes, at the moment people aren't even given fair choices by their leaders, they aren't given a fair choice on their highstreets, they aren't given a fair choice on tv etc etc, so they make bad decisions based on the choices available.

I don't know RA, maybe if she knew about "the illuminati" she wouldn't be feeding her kid McD's?

Guevarista wrote:
It's not that people think nature is bad, the problem is that Americans know the ghetto is insane.

Americans will probably never let the system fall due to this fear of ghetto violence and tribal minds.

The US is about 85% nice suburban communities and 15% 3rd world ghetto insanity.

I don't think the 85% working class of America will let the system fall due to fear of the inner city.

People will work everyday so they can stay away from those who make rap songs about shooting each other.

Nothing will change in America until the ghetto people put down guns & drugs and pick up paint brushes.

Americans love the system and want police on the street because they fear 3rd world living conditions.

Americans don't fear the rich because they are to busy in fear of the US turning into Rwanda.

That's kinda why I made the thread about people who still have primitive and tribal minds.

The premise of the OP title is wrong, the Illuminati is not an excuse for people to make bad choices. People only know what choices are given them. It's a bad choice to drive a car, burn gasoline, and pollute the air, but there's 600,000,000 cars in the world. Who dictated that choice? Wealthy industrialists who run the decision making process, who were making billions off of steel and fuel sales. Good parents are driving cars. It's a bad idea for a large percentage of the population to take opiates, but they are found in many pharmaceuitical pain relievers. Some people take them and it opens up a pathway in their neural construct that leads some to an incurable addiction.... and they were good parents, or had good parents. The choice was made for them by wealthy pharmaceutical manufacturers who have turned natural renedies into some sort of crime or witch doctor type action. And they knew that a large percentage of people would be potentially addicted. Kids with good parents are watching TV shows that are brainwashing them, perverted entetainment moguls are to blame for that. People would have to ultimately live a life of severe austerity to avoid many of the pitfalls, and pre-made choices that are handed down by the elite to us.

Plenty of inner city kids have good parents, but they fall victim to gangs, and that lifestyle, because it's better to join them than to be a target of them. Did you know that the current street gang violence problem can be directly attributed to the CIA? DIRECTLY. Crack was invented by the CIA as a means of getting what is essentially freebase to the streets pre made. Freebase is the most addictive way of doing cocaine. Here's some crack! They flew shipments of cocaine directly from Colombia to Mena Arkansas, where it was taken to Virginia by "Tyson Chicken" trucks in some instances, for manufacture into cocaine "paste" which became crack. It was shipped to LA, where both the Bloods and Crips were co-opted by CIA infiltrators, who supplied them with guns, and orders to kill for payment of the sales money. The money was collected, and given to a Nicaraguan contact in LA, who sent the money to Nicaragua Contras to fund the overthrow of that "hostile", see also non World Bank owned government. This is the background to the "Iran Contra" affair in the 1980's. The REAL background. By 1984, and Reagan's re-election, the George Bush/CIA interests had enough of their own men in congress to get the funding they needed from the Gov't, and they distanced themselves, sort of, from the whole crack/LA gang association. I say sort of, because they aren't going to turn away from millions of dollars. They CIA uses a lot of "misappropriated" funds for their "endeavours"

The Elite are no excuse, they are a cause. Yes the inner cities are bad, very bleak, but there are good kids, and good parents there too who are doing their best with the pre-made choices that have been dictated to them by a "higher authority". Unfortunately it is just much easier to churn out violent. drug addicted freaks in that environment. It's a generational psychosis in some instances. People in Suburbia have some of the same issues.

OP you could use a much larger picture to help you with your view of the world we live in.

I really like that post Ron really informative!
That's what I mean by fear of the unknown, that is essentially what resistance to change boils down to, it's probably one of the underpinning motives of civilization/control structures and the homogenization of humanity, i don't know if your facts are accurate though, surely a big lump of the US is disused land, shopping districts or wealthy metropolis that the ghettos border?

ronisron wrote:
Without a doubt, I agree with you, great post and thank you for adding to the thread.

But the only thing that is going to change any of that is parents staying on top of their game.

Or, a Military & Pharmaceutical protest ten times the size of the Diamond Jubilee.

So what's it going to be ronisron?
ronisron wrote:
Yes I was aware of all that already many years before I made this thread.

Most of it is talked about in this movie...

What do you think of the potential of the Occupy movement RA?

Guevarista wrote:
Yea we really have alot of land over here that is for state parks and other beautiful nature...

But where the people live I would say it goes.

10% luxurious wealthy homes with land, 15% ultra ghetto poverty and the other 75% nice suburban communities.

If Obama cleaned up the ghetto in the next 4 years America would be extra amazing.

Once people from the suburbs do not fear the inner city people major anti-war protest could start.

That's really all it would take for the massive changes the conspiracy world want's.

Can it be that simple? Yes...

I just can't accept this brainwashing nonsense anymore.

When people join the army for money and kill people they need to accept full responsibility.

The person who pulls the trigger is always at fault so I could care less if someone else gave the order.

Blame the soldiers parents or the soldiers themselves and not the powers that be.

RealAmerican wrote:
You do like blaming parents for alot of things. How do you get on with yours out of noseyness?

psketti wrote:
My parents raised me to be Anti-War so I never wanted to join the Army and kill people for money.

Some of my mom's family went to Canada for a few years to escape going to the Vietnam War.

We are in the new generation era now and will last for about another 60-75 years. The government will slowly introduce illuminati into the system so the generation don't question it, they will just accept it. This is happening as we speak and you are right to state that 2011 is when we had a turning point. Its similar to the moon landing which they clearly faked at the time, but they benefited by making the worldwide population think that they government was something that should be revered in terms of trust, knowledge and technology for the good... Hence why they have pulled it off throughout the decades... Now this generation are been told they will soon get to fly into space etc so it earmarks the end of that plan they had...
Yes, we are all individuals but we are all sadly controlled in some way or form... Even the rich... The best thing to do as a living soul is understand that as a physical been in one mindset, we are only here for a short amount of time and therefore should look forward to life experiences and live live with a positive attitude no matter how other react around you.
The slogan for the 2012 Olympics is 'Inspire a generation' That is what they are doing and some new technology/information is right round the corner... It may be disinformation, but either way will do its job.