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Land Ownership 14 Nov 2012 11:54 #1

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Largest Landowner

“Queen Elizabeth II the largest landowner on Earth.”


Queen Elizabeth II, head of state of the United Kingdom and of 31 other states and territories, is the legal owner of about 6,600 million acres of land, one sixth of the earth’s non ocean surface.

She is the only person on earth who owns whole countries, and who owns countries that are not her own domestic territory. This land ownership is separate from her role as head of state and is different from other monarchies where no such claim is made – Norway, Belgium, Denmark etc.

The value of her land holding. £17,600,000,000,000 (approx).

This makes her the richest individual on earth. However, there is no way easily to value her real estate. There is no current market in the land of entire countries. At a rough estimate of $5,000 an acre, and based on the sale of Alaska to the USA by the Tsar, and of Louisiana to the USA by France, the Queen’s land holding is worth a notional $33,000,000,000,000 (Thirty three trillion dollars or about £17,600,000,000,000). Her holding is based on the laws of the countries she owns and her land title is valid in all the countries she owns. Her main holdings are Canada, the 2nd largest country on earth, with 2,467 million acres, Australia, the 7th largest country on earth with 1,900 million acres, the Papua New Guinea with114 million acres, New Zealand with 66 million acres and the UK with 60 million acres.

She is the world’s largest landowner by a significant margin. The next largest landowner is the Russian state, with an overall ownership of 4,219 million acres, and a direct ownership comparable with the Queen’s land holding of 2,447 million acres. The 3rd largest landowner is the Chinese state, which claims all of Chinese land, about 2,365 million acres. The 4th largest landowner on earth is the Federal Government of the United States, which owns about one third of the land of the USA, 760 million acres. The fifth largest landowner on earth is the King of Saudi Arabia with 553 million acres


Largest five personal landowners on Earh

Queen Elizabeth II ................. 6,600 million acres
King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia .... 553 million acres
King Bhumibol of Thailand ........ 126 million acres
King Mohammed IV of Morocco ... 113 million acres
Sultan Quaboos of Oman .......... 76 million acres

www.whoownstheworld.com/about-the-book/l...ner/?ref=patrick.net


G'day.

Obviously land ownership is a major issue, for without land how do you grow food ?

Yet the land is 'owned' and you have to pay for it, which means that you have to get a job to earn the money to pay for it, which in turn means that you are supporting the structure of control of which land ownership, or agreement of land ownership by others, is the fundamental basis of controlling the population.

It ties hand-in-hand with many other issues. Here's a few thoughts I've had about it that are a starting point in having a discussion about this issue. Feel free to add more, disagree with any or raise any issue(s) that you think is/are interrelated with the control of the population through land ownership. :thumbup:

- No corporation can own land. They can only rent it from the people. The money raised by the rental of land owned by the people is to be used for the running of the government infrastructure and services.

- No government official can have any authority to send any army, national guard or police force overseas to engage in a war, nor can they have any authority over such forces within the country.

- Only companies can be taxed. No individual is to be indebted to pay tax for any reason. Tax revenue is to be utilised by the people, for the people.

- People do not own land. It is a ‘common ownership’ for all, akin to caretaking, and is to be ‘leased’ to them, without cost, based upon what the function of the land is utilised for.


DECLARATION OF THE FOUR SACRED THINGS

The earth is a living, conscious being. In company with cultures of many different times and places, we name these things as sacred: air, fire, water and earth.

Whether we see them as the breath, energy, blood and body of the Mother, or as the blessed gifts of a Creator, or as symbols of the interconnected systems that sustain life, we know that nothing can live without them.

To call these things sacred is to say that they have a value beyond their usefulness for human ends, that they themselves become the standards by which our acts, our economics, our laws and our purposes must be judged. No one has the right to appropriate them or profit from them at the expense of others. Any government that fails to protect them forfeits its legitimacy.

All people, all living things, are part of the earth life, and so are sacred. No one of us stands higher or lower than any other. Only justice can assure balance: only ecological balance can sustain freedom. Only in freedom can that fifth sacred thing we call spirit flourish in its full diversity.

To honour the sacred is to create conditions in which nourishment, sustenance, habitat, knowledge, freedom and beauty can thrive. To honour the sacred is to make love possible.

To this we dedicate our curiosity, our will, our courage, our silences and our voices. To this we dedicate our lives.

The Fifth Sacred Thing
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Re: Land Ownership 14 Nov 2012 13:42 #2

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now how exactly did the british crown get 'ownership' of all that land? ah yes, they sent boys and girls off around the world to maim, kill, bribe, co-erce......

so in an 'enlightened' age why the icke do we allow the crown to maintain that real world wealth?
if someone were to go out into the world today grabbing land like that not only would they be stopped but they'd be up in the hague too...
but in this world we throw parties for the current monarch and pay her a fortune anually just for being her...

here's the deal. you can't 'own' land. to think you can is delusional. its an indicator that you really don't understand anything. or that you do but are so bloody minded that you ignore reality.
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Re: Land Ownership 14 Nov 2012 14:34 #3

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now how exactly did the british crown get 'ownership' of all that land? .....
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Queen Elizabeth II ................. 6,600 million acres


King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia .... 553 million acres
King Bhumibol of Thailand ........ 126 million acres
King Mohammed IV of Morocco ... 113 million acres
Sultan Quaboos of Oman .......... 76 million acres

Queen Elizabeth II has 6,600 million acres of land ... compared to the next four largest land owners of a combined total of 868 million acres of land. That's over 7.6 times the amount of the combined total of the next four largest land owners. :roll:

Plain and simple, there's your control factor.

Note: all of them are 'royalty' / 'monarchs' ... that old hierarchy system whereby some claim superiority over all others.
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Re: Land Ownership 14 Nov 2012 14:49 #5

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Poor queeny, only 6600 million hectares, do we think she has enough, shall we have a whip round lads :loco:

Sick tune intro's too long though:
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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Re: Land Ownership 14 Nov 2012 14:50 #6

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somewhere back in me chat with the plod thread i posted a new statesman article on this very subject. i'll link it here later when i get back to me lappy.
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Re: Land Ownership 14 Nov 2012 14:53 #7

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Is that this one Dub:
www.newstatesman.com/global-issues/2011/...ueen-world-australia
1066 and all thatFeudalism begins with the idea that all land and people are the possession of the gods, with the gods devolving that ownership to a human representative. The divine origin of land ownership became all-pervasive in classical times and took its most brutal general form in the deified Roman emperors, from whom all land in the empire was held.
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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aye thats the one gue. cheers for that :)
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Re: Land Ownership 14 Nov 2012 15:05 #9

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No probs.

I like John Locke and Tom Payne on these questions, they were centuries ago though, it seems in the 21st century logical thought, common sense and reality are as in thin supply as they were then.
To the evil of monarchy we have added that of hereditary succession; and as the first is a degradation and lessening of ourselves, so the second, claimed as a matter of right, is an insult and imposition on posterity. For all men being originally equals, no one by birth could have a right to set up his own family in perpetual preference to all others for ever, and tho' himself might deserve some decent degree of honours of his contemporaries, yet his descendants might be far too unworthy to inherit them. One of the strongest natural proofs of the folly of hereditary right in Kings, is that nature disapproves it, otherwise she would not so frequently turn it into ridicule, by giving mankind an ASS FOR A LION....
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This is supposing the present race of kings in the world to have had an honorable origin: whereas it is more than probable, that, could we take off the dark covering of antiquity and trace them to their first rise, we should find the first of them nothing better than the principal ruffian of some restless gang, whose savage manners of pre-eminence in subtilty obtained him the title of chief among plunderers; and who by increasing in power and extending his depredations, overawed the quiet and defenseless to purchase their safety by frequent contributions.
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Re: Land Ownership 14 Nov 2012 16:50 #10

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What we need tbh is people allowed to take plots of land for free providing they make use of it, 'improve' it etc.
Farmsteading so to speak.

At the moment you can't even pitch a bloody tent without getting hassle for it.
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We do a lot of guerrilla gardening as we call it over my way, i'd like to pull my finger out and incorporate permaculture into the town where I live, quite lucky here though lot's of green space so you can go out into the nature and build a veg patch that would sustain a whole town of 100 fairly easily.
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Re: Land Ownership 14 Nov 2012 17:12 #12

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She doesn't own one single square inch of land for the simple fact that its impossible to own land. Same goes for all the other supposed land owners. You would need a chain of buyers and sellers going back until the earth was created for it to be possible.
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Ownership really in the modern sense is just about having a piece of paper which is 'official' and handed to you by a government which has the power to 'enforce' its various bits of paper.

Ownership should be about good caretaking and stewardship and positive productive use of it for humans and recognition of that by other humans, in other words respect.

If you don't have any use for a gazillion acres and don't make any use of it then it's pointless having 'ownership' so to speak.

Its all about basically keeping the elite on beautiful private land with vast acreage while we all suffer with 30ft square of floorspace red brick with a postage stamp for a back garden with no possibility of ever feeding ourselves from it and paying through the arse for 25 years for it to keep us quiet and cowed.
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She doesn't own one single square inch of land for the simple fact that its impossible to own land. Same goes for all the other supposed land owners. You would need a chain of buyers and sellers going back until the earth was created for it to be possible.

Agreed. Even if you did find and trace that chain back to the first human that said "this is now my land", it still doesn't mean diddly squat. As andy said, the only thing that is 'owned' is a bit of paper that has associated statutes to give it validity. It's supremely arrogant of humans to think that they can own land. It's another example of us separating ourselves from nature and placing ourselves above it.
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G'day.

Humans claiming ownership of the earth is akin to fleas claiming ownership of the dog that they are on.

It's a wonder that planet earth hasn't scratched the human fleas off it's back yet.
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G'day.

Humans claiming ownership of the earth is akin to fleas claiming ownership of the dog that they are on.

It's a wonder that planet earth hasn't scratched the human fleas off it's back yet.
It's something that's come about with the Neolithic Revolution and cattle.

This is a good story about Land Ownership:
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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