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Caveman Bones, 7000 Yrs Old 01 Jul 2012 16:51 #1

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Surprisingly this made the MSM via AOL News feed...
www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/28/caveme...umans_n_1636289.html
Caveman Bones, 7,000 Years Old, Said To Yield Oldest DNA Of Modern Humans

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The remains of two cavemen, yielding the oldest DNA yet of modern humans, were discovered at La Brana Aritero site in Leon, Spain.

By: Charles Choi, LiveScience Contributor
Published: 06/28/2012 12:04 PM EDT on LiveScience

What may be the oldest fragments of the modern human genome found yet have now been revealed — DNA from the 7,000-year-old bones of two cavemen unearthed in Spain, researchers say.

These findings suggest the cavemen there were not the ancestors of the people found in the region today, investigators added.

Scientists have recently sequenced the genomes of our closest extinct relatives, the Neanderthals and the Denisovans. When it came to our lineage, the oldest modern human genomes recovered yet came from Ötzi the Iceman, a 5,300-year-old mummy found in the Alps in 1991. Researchers have salvaged DNA from even older human cells, but this comes from the mitochondria that generate energy for our bodies, and not from the nucleus where our chromosomes are housed. (Mitochondrial DNA is passed down only by mothers.)

Now researchers have rescued fragments of genomes from the remains of two cavemen unearthed in northern Spain.

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The skeleton of an ancient caveman dubbed Brana 1 yielded the oldest DNA found in a modern human.

"These are the oldest partial genomes from modern human prehistory," researcher Carles Lalueza-Fox, a paleogeneticist at the Spanish National Research Council, told LiveScience. [Image Gallery: Our Closest Human Ancestor]

The skeletons of two young adult males were discovered by chance in 2006 by cave explorers in a cavern high in the Cantabrian mountain range, whose main entrance is found at 4,920 feet (1,500 meters) altitude. Winters there are notably cold, which helped preserve the DNA in the bones.

These bones date back to the Mesolithic period, before agriculture spread to the Iberian Peninsula with Neolithic settlers from the Middle East. These cavemen were hunter-gatherers, judging by the ornament that one was found with of red-deer canines embroidered onto a cloth.

The scientists recovered 1.34 percent and 0.5 percent of the human genomes from the bones of these two cave men. Analyses revealed that current populations of the Iberian Peninsula, which includes Spain, Portugal and Andorra, are not genetically linked with these ancient hunter-gatherers. Instead, these cavemen were closer genetically to the current populations of northern Europe.

"There are many works that claim the Basques [of the Iberian Peninsula] could be descendants from Mesolithics that became isolated in the Basque country," Lalueza-Fox said. "We found the modern Basques are genetically not related to these two individuals."

The scientists also recovered the complete mitochondrial DNA of one of these cavemen. This revealed that European populations during the Mesolithic were very uniform genetically.

"Despite their geographical distance, individuals from the regions corresponding to the current England, Germany, Lithuania, Poland and Spain shared the same mitochondrial lineage," Lalueza-Fox said. "These hunters-gatherers shared nomadic habits and had a common origin."

The researchers now aim to complete the genomes of both cavemen. Such data could help "explore genes that have been modified with the arrival of the Neolithic in the European populations," Lalueza-Fox said.

The scientists detailed their findings online today (June 28) in the journal Current Biology.
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Re: Caveman Bones, 7000 Yrs Old 01 Jul 2012 16:52 #2

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Thrown in the history section as I consider it more history than news...if wrong, move where you see fit.
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Re: Caveman Bones, 7000 Yrs Old 01 Jul 2012 17:20 #3

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Interesting! Thanks for sharing, Stars :)
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Re: Caveman Bones, 7000 Yrs Old 01 Jul 2012 17:22 #4

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I want to know how tall they were. Just to make sure they are not Nephilim bones.

Single row of teeth. That's good. Probably not Nephilim.
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Re: Caveman Bones, 7000 Yrs Old 08 Aug 2012 08:29 #5

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Thanks for posting. I'm currently reading about the Basques so I'l have to read this more carefully and compare with the stuff I've just read.

A couple of things stand out for me in this article.

Just because the bones are found in a cave does not make them "cavemen". Even living in a cave does not make people "cavemen" in the sense commonly understood, ie. primitive. If any of us was forced to live in the mountains, due to a climatic catastrophe for example, we would do a lot worse than move into a ready made shelter of a natural cave. in fact, we probably couldn't do better! You'd have to be primitive not to live in a cave up there.

The report describes the "cavemen" as hunter gatherers. I suppose that high up in the mountains there was little chance of being anything else. The reasoning for why they were assumed to be hunter gatherers sounds strange to me: "These cave­men were hunter-​gatherers, judg­ing by the orna­ment that one was found with of red-​deer canines embroi­dered onto a cloth". So if they killed red deer they must be hunter gatherers?

The next statement needs to be supported by facts. Ie. What proof do we have that neolithic settlers moved to this region from the Middle East? "These bones date back to the Mesolithic period, before agri­cul­ture spread to the Iber­ian Penin­sula with Neolithic set­tlers from the Mid­dle East."

There were different groups of people in the iberian peninsula with different origins. Just because you find two skeletons in a cave high up in the mountains doesn't mean that they were the dominant group in the region. I would expect hunter gatherers to move where the food was depending on the seasons and the climatic conditions. Remember that during and following ice ages the world looked very different than it does today. The article states "these cave­men were closer genet­i­cally to the cur­rent pop­u­la­tions of north­ern Europe." Take a look at a map of Europe during the last ice age. Northern Europe was under massive sheets of ice. Any people living there prior to the ice age would have been forced to move south. When the ice receded, then people could move north again, but not necessarily the same people who were living there prior to the ice age.

7000 years sounds old, but is still several thousand years after the end of the last ice age, so not very old in the grand scheme of things. This find is news because they have found DNA, not because there haven't been much older finds already.
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