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How Racism Takes Root 23 Jul 2012 13:51 #1

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The different ways the media covered two cases of men grooming children for sex show how shockingly easy it is to demonise a whole community

by Joseph Harker


By now surely everyone knows the case of the eight men convicted of picking vulnerable underage girls off the streets, then plying them with drink and drugs before having sex with them. A shocking story. But maybe you haven't heard. Because these sex assaults did not take place in Rochdale, where a similar story led the news for days in May, but in Derby earlier this month. Fifteen girls aged 13 to 15, many of them in care, were preyed on by the men. And though they were not working as a gang, their methods were similar – often targeting children in care and luring them with, among other things, cuddly toys. But this time, of the eight predators, seven were white, not Asian. And the story made barely a ripple in the national media.

Of the daily papers, only the Guardian and the Times reported it. There was no commentary anywhere on how these crimes shine a light on British culture, or how middle-aged white men have to confront the deep flaws in their religious and ethnic identity. Yet that's exactly what played out following the conviction in May of the "Asian sex gang" in Rochdale, which made the front page of every national newspaper. Though analysis of the case focused on how big a factor was race, religion and culture, the unreported story is of how politicians and the media have created a new racial scapegoat. In fact, if anyone wants to study how racism begins, and creeps into the consciousness of an entire nation, they need look no further.

Imagine you were living in a town of 20,000 people – the size of, say, Penzance in Cornwall – and one day it was discovered that one of its residents had been involved in a sex crime. Would it be reasonable to say that the whole town had a cultural problem, that it needed to address the scourge – that anyone not doing so was part of a "conspiracy of silence"? But the intense interest in the Rochdale story arose from a January 2011 Times "scoop" that was based on the conviction of at most 50 British Pakistanis out of a total UK population of 1.2 million, just one in 24,000: one person per Penzance.

Make no mistake, the Rochdale crimes were vile, and those convicted deserve every year of their sentences. But where, amid all the commentary, was the evidence that this is a racial issue; that there's something inherently perverted about Muslim or Asian culture?

Even the Child Protection and Online Protection Centre (Ceop), which has also studied potential offenders who have not been convicted, has only identified 41 Asian gangs (of 230 in total) and 240 Asian individuals – and they are spread across the country. But, despite this, a new stereotype has taken hold: that a significant proportion of Asian men are groomers (and the rest of their communities know of it and keep silent).

But if it really is an "Asian" thing, how come Indians don't do it? If it's a "Pakistani" thing, how come an Afghan was convicted in the Rochdale case? And if it's a "Muslim" thing, how come it doesn't seem to involve anyone of African or Middle Eastern origin? The standard response to anyone who questions this is: face the facts, all those convicted in Rochdale were Muslim. Well, if one case is enough to make such a generalisation, how about if all the members of a gang of armed robbers were white; or cybercriminals; or child traffickers? (All three of these have happened.) Would we be so keen to "face the facts" and make it a problem the whole white community has to deal with? Would we have articles examining what it is about Britishness or Christianity or Europeanness, that makes people so capable of such things?

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The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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Re: How Racism Takes Root 23 Jul 2012 14:31 #2

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Interesting article ty :)
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Re: How Racism Takes Root 23 Jul 2012 15:27 #3

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Interesting GV. May I suggest you post that on the DIF so that the not a nazis can chew on it :)




Oh wait........Hang on a mo....... :D
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Re: How Racism Takes Root 23 Jul 2012 15:51 #4

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dubmeup wrote:
Interesting GV. May I suggest you post that on the DIF so that the not a nazis can chew on it :)




Oh wait........Hang on a mo....... :D

My first thought "which noses to wave this under first?"

I'd welcome you back but I saw my karma :mad:
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Re: How Racism Takes Root 23 Jul 2012 17:27 #5

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oioioi wrote:
My first thought "which noses to wave this under first?"
Great minds think alike :killinme:
I'd welcome you back but I saw my karma :mad:
On this occasion dear chap it weren't me :P My Oi karma fettling days are over. Not because I've changed my mind, purely because I've come to appreciate the futility of vainglorious attempts at opposing the sketted one's misuse of her supermod powers :D
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Re: How Racism Takes Root 23 Jul 2012 17:32 #6

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dubmeup wrote:
I'd welcome you back but I saw my karma :mad:
On this occasion dear chap it weren't me :P My Oi karma fettling days are over. Not because I've changed my mind, purely because I've come to appreciate the futility of vainglorious attempts at opposing the sketted one's misuse of her supermod powers :D

How very dare you :coffee:
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Re: How Racism Takes Root 23 Jul 2012 18:51 #7

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I wanted to post it at DIF but my Tor accounts seem to never get activated, utterly infuriating, I should use less obvious names black_jesus, John_Lenin and S4tan were never going to be popular characters :scotty:
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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Re: How Racism Takes Root 23 Jul 2012 19:51 #8

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Re: How Racism Takes Root 23 Jul 2012 20:07 #9

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Maybe the reason is quite simple the vast majority of western communities have been broken along with traditional family units. Western values, morals, attitudes, aspirations and ideals have all been transformed through social engineering and propaganda. The Muslim communities generally retain a strong community and family based culture, which is a threat and needs to be dismantled in the same way as it has been throughout the western cultures. Give it 15 to 20 years of media propaganda and government indoctrination through education, and the effects/motives behind this sort of reporting and political management will be evident.
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Re: How Racism Takes Root 23 Jul 2012 23:21 #10

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I saw my karma :mad:

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Re: How Racism Takes Root 23 Jul 2012 23:42 #11

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There is only 1 thing you need do...go live in Saudi Arabia for a year or two and you'll know what islam is all about first hand instead of from the media ;)

I have and the only conclusion I can come to is that they are a bunch of raving barbaric lunatics...
That said, I think pretty much the same thing about the evangelical xtians, the mormons and the jews too in equal measure.

I also see people who blindly follow any leader whether its religious or political in nature as being the enemy imho.
They stone people to death, blame women for everything (including getting raped...even if they do the raping themselves!), chop various body parts off, carry out genocide in the name of God, treat people not of their faith as vermin, believe the Earth is 4000 years old, think they're going to be swept up into the sky in some 'rapture' while billions suffer and die in nuclear holocaust because they are the 'chosen ones', treat women as second class citizens who ought to STFU cook clean and suck cock, donate to institutions that pay sod all taxes and hold vast amounts of treasure and valuable knowledge and even have their own nation state and a few of them think that its good to go and blow themselves up and take out dozens of non-believers in some ritualistic lemming like display of epic fucking stupidity.

I'm sorry but I have to say I'm sick to death of ALL authority no matter which butthole it spews forth from and I'm especially sick of morons who keep bloody following it!

Good values and morals do NOT have to come from such a twisted bunch of freaks.
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Re: How Racism Takes Root 23 Jul 2012 23:54 #12

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How does that actually pertain to the topic of the OP andy?
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Re: How Racism Takes Root 23 Jul 2012 23:58 #13

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Dubs.....you do realise I put him down to 69. :hahano:
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Re: How Racism Takes Root 24 Jul 2012 00:01 #14

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Dubs.....you do realise I put him down to 69. :hahano:

I am absolutely 100% cool with that pheony. :)
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Re: How Racism Takes Root 24 Jul 2012 00:04 #15

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dubmeup wrote:
How does that actually pertain to the topic of the OP andy?

Religion != Race.

People of all colours can be a part of the madness. Obviously the guardian has yet to grasp that concept.
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Re: How Racism Takes Root 24 Jul 2012 00:05 #16

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Dubs.....you do realise I put him down to 69. :hahano:

I am absolutely 100% cool with that pheony. :)

Good. :)
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Re: How Racism Takes Root 24 Jul 2012 02:19 #17

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andyh wrote:
dubmeup wrote:
How does that actually pertain to the topic of the OP andy?

Religion != Race.

People of all colours can be a part of the madness. Obviously the guardian has yet to grasp that concept.

Tbh, I think that's missing the point somewhat.
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Re: How Racism Takes Root 24 Jul 2012 08:53 #18

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dubmeup wrote:

Tbh, I think that's missing the point somewhat.

Hardly, its not how racism begins is it? :p
Racism was present long before we had immigrants pimping sex slaves.
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Re: How Racism Takes Root 24 Jul 2012 11:00 #19

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I can sense a DIF style semantics circle is on the horizon here, so I'll clarify what I got from the OP.

It is highlighting how the media etc selectively chooses what and how it reports and puts into the collective consciousness and that those choices appear to be made in order to foster and nurture division between sections of society.

This is the point I get from it :)
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Re: How Racism Takes Root 24 Jul 2012 11:16 #20

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dubmeup wrote:
I can sense a DIF style semantics circle is on the horizon here, so I'll clarify what I got from the OP.

It is highlighting how the media etc selectively chooses what and how it reports and puts into the collective consciousness and that those choices appear to be made in order to foster and nurture division between sections of society.

This is the point I get from it :)

Gue's made no opinion on it other than to link it.
So all I get from the OP is the article which tries to give the impression that religion is about race when it patently is not.
Muslims DO see women as 2nd class and think nothing of this kind of carry on and not all muslims are from the middle east and not all muslims have the same beliefs anymore than all christians do.
All MSM has faith in authority though and MOST abarahamic faith followers have faith in authority too, those that don't are probably either in the process of giving it up or follow their own interpretation that is vastly different from the norm.

My own disgust with religion is simply down to first hand experience of all sorts of nutters. Especially riyadh soukh on a friday.
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