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Undoubtedly 9/11 has opened up many peoples minds to the world - my point isnt that it is unimportant - more that once you can say - ok there is something in that and are open to ther possibilities any more time spent on it is rather like hitting your head against a brick wall - its all speculation and we will probably never know with any degree of certainty exactly what went down and by whom.

Chatting about it and theorising is cool - much like putting together a puzzle - but in and on its own - talking about it all day and arguing over what happened does nothing of any value other then create suspicion and distrust - which if you are already open to the idea that there was something dodgy going on you will have acquired a healthy dose of already.

In my view, money is only a token, The desire for power is the root of all evil.

The conspiracy community is a broad church and it's easy to dismiss the whole because of the comments, theories and presentations from the outer edges.

I also believe there are many who have become addicted to fear and drama and will find significance in the way their Shreddies fall into their breakfast bowl to satisfy that craving.

True, but there will always be dumb people. Unfortunately, it tends to be the wrong type of people who shout the loudest, and attract the most attention and thus tar the other less neurotic people with the same brush. So people equate 'conspiracy' with being some kind of nut. part of that is by design I think. But also, people often go though a 'phase' of being addicted to the drama, then settle down.

In my opinion Alex Jones feeds off that. No-one can be that angry, that often!
That style of presentation offers nothing but panic and helplessness as a response.

Not me. I just find him amusing and entertaining, but thats possibly because i dont really listen to the content all that much, but fear is the last thing he inspire in me.

David Icke proposes reptilians from another dimension playing games with us and sucking our energy.
For me that draws a similar response. Just how are you supposed to counter that?

As for Icke, his theories just confirm my own subjective experiences about the nature of reality and also helped me to fill in some missing links. The reptillian thing really wasnt a big leap for me personally, so i guess it depends what coordinates you currnetly have. Its like that saying about reading a book for a second time; its not that you see things that werent there before, but rather you see things that werent in you before. Thats how it was for me anyway. But if you have all the coordinates to thoroughly understand the reptillian influence, then you also immediately fully understand how simple it is to counter their influence so again, i dont feel fear. there is a bit of "whoa, the rabbit hole is that deep?" type of thing, but ts all an adventure to me.

I also feel those approaches can justify a feeling of resigned abdication. You just have to sit back, fingers crossed and hope the outcome isn't too insufferable.

There will always be defeatist people, but isnt it better to be aware and afraid, than just basking in a false sense of security that is spoon-fed to the unconscious masses by evil cooporations who will pull the rug from their feet at any moment.

Or we can drop those discussions, look at how we might change what we have grown or been indoctrinated to accept and act to change things.

Most people will acknowledge that powerful people are controlling their lives in negative ways. Let's stop giving them mystical titles like Illuminati which implies or confers superhuman or occult powers upon them and start calling them what they are, greedy, self-serving bastards who do not care one scintilla for anyone outside their own circle.

They must be recognised and outed for the dangerous people they are and their power and influence must be curtailed. No ifs ands or buts.
Let's not fall into the trap of focusing their religious or ethnic links, that is a created diversion which weaken the case and allows them to scream "persecution!".

The answer really is in each of us at the moment to talk and analyse calmly the facts then present them in ways which makes them hard to dismiss easily.

T the moment the media presents suited, prepared and coached executives on one side and hapless, inarticulate, ill-prepared, drum-beating hippies on the other side. Given those options Joe Public will go with the devil he thinks he knows.
That has to change.

What a sensible, level-headed lot you all are.

I agree with most sentiments expressed so far, especially with feathered who mentions the 'divisions' that certain theories can throw up - always a wake up call for me.

I'm very much of the thinking it has always and will always be 'us' against 'us'. That's kind of the point, if you like.

featheredfish wrote:
You are right there.

However, in our society as it is now, money IS power. You have enough money, you can own governments, countries, people, anything.

That is the problem...what should be just a 'token of exchange for goods & services' is something else entirely.

diamondgeezer wrote:

*The "Fear Factory". This is quite important. It soon became apparent to me that human beings are really very simple in their thinking for the most part. This can make us very easy to manipulate or control sometimes. Fear is extremely effective in controlling people's actions. Whenever I start to feeling 'the fear', my alarm bells automatically get activated.

Somebody asked me the other day why I think the way I do. When I asked them what they mean, they replied that I always seem suspicious, particularly about news in the msm and anything to do with the government. I could only reply that it takes years of practice and it's not really something I even have to think about anymore...it just sort of happens.

We talked a bit about how someone gets to that point, but generally, I explained that I was actually perfectly happy thinking the way I do, and that it really wasn't that bad a thing for me, personally. They were concerned that I must get overwhelmed or depressed about everything a lot, but I explained that increasingly, for me anyway, it's just the way the world is/has always been. I had to concede however, that it can get bad for some and perhaps some people just choose to turn their backs on it all completely and return to the "normal" life they had before (although, I've never understood this and would think it would be pretty impossible).

It occurred to me that although I don't necessarily think I 'think' any different than anyone else, there are some steps I take, not on a conscious level admittedly, before forming opinions on things, especially msm stories and politics-wise.

*The most important thing you can ever do, whether or not you're into conspiracy: EVALUATE YOUR SOURCES! It never ceases to amaze me how many people just take everything they read or hear as gospel sometimes, particularly if it comes from an institution like the BBC, for example. I have realised I'm usually always "looking for the money" when evaluating such material. For example, who would gain from me thinking a certain way about this issue.

Invariably, you end up with a much more interesting story than the "piece" your were watching or reading about when you look at it from this angle. People used to tell me that money makes the world go round, and I never really got that until quite recently. Everything can, if you take the trouble to evaluate it reasonably, be traced back to the money element. Need a motive? Probably has something to do with money. Not always...but usually.

*I'm not the first and I certainly won't be the last. This is sometimes comforting, in an odd "I'm not the only one" way. Before I ever started thinking about things like alternative history and cover-ups, I read quite extensively and was aware of the influence that popular culture has over most of us. It wasn't until I actually became interested in conspiracy, that I started to realise that there are actually themes and recurrances running through most literature and even Hollywood sometimes. It's almost as if voices from the past are sending out warnings or confirmations that things have really always been the same. Some of my favourite books or films invariably have some political or humanistic message that I was completely oblivious to the first time around.

*Don't sweat the small stuff. In fact, don't "sweat" any of it. There is little you can achieve by panicking or shouting about things. Get angry by all means, but eventually you'll come to realise you can actually achieve a lot more when you're not in a state of anger or frustration. Let that be your catalyst, if you like, but learn from it and move on.

*The "Fear Factory". This is quite important. It soon became apparent to me that human beings are really very simple in their thinking for the most part. This can make us very easy to manipulate or control sometimes. Fear is extremely effective in controlling people's actions. Whenever I start to feeling 'the fear', my alarm bells automatically get activated. Return to point 1. Someone, somewhere has produced this piece of literature, artwork, film - whatever, and it could be that this fear I'm feeling is by design. For what purpose would someone want me to be fearful about this? Who would benefit from inciting that fear? As mentioned above, you'll usually find yourself right back at the money angle, but sometimes there may be different motives behind it.

That's my conspiracy-think in a nutshell, anyway. I'm not saying it solves all my problems, far from it. But it does help me consider life from a very different stand-point than most other people I know. I don't know where it came from or if I even have actually just always thought like this, but there it is. Certainly, it has helped me avoid some of the pit-falls we all come across and has actually been quite invaluable in terms of gauging people and personalities.

For example, you'd be pretty amazed at just how many people you know who work entirely from a place of manipulation. If you really sit and analyse their behaviour and motives, I mean. You might say it's just another human trait, but I know plenty of people who don't do it at all. I pretty much avoid those that do. Even if they are doing it on some sub-conscious level, it's still not a good thing for me and gets my back up no end. Many of these people will be relatives too, unfortunately. They may not be aware that they are doing it and maybe they are just responding to their own "conditioning" and can't really be blamed for that. What have you got to lose by pointing it out to them, though?

Anyway...next time someone asks me why I think the way I do, I can drop the pointers above before them and they can make of it what they will. Maybe it might at least make them think about why they think they way do too.

This is just a general "introduction" to conspiracy-think, if you like. Feel free to add anything you think might be of benefit and as ever, thanks for reading!

Just re read this and I have to say, pure bloody brilliance Abs.

Grab it when you can abs he'll be sober tomorrow