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Freedom of speech yes or no? 04 Aug 2012 03:03 #1

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Re: Freedom of speech yes or no? 04 Aug 2012 11:56 #2

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Re: Freedom of speech yes or no? 04 Aug 2012 12:12 #3

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Bloody hell I just watched 1 and a half minutes of the bottom video. :facepalm: Oi's word fits perfectly. Cock.

What a complete and utter load of self inflating cock. The man is the head cock of cock city.

Should he have the freedom of speech to spout that utter cock? Those first 1 and a half minutes yeah, of course, dunno about the rest cos I didn't get that far. Him having the freedom to say such things in public is great :thumbup: It means everyone can see that where his brain should be, there's a limp and teeny cock.



Did I say he's a cock?
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Re: Freedom of speech yes or no? 04 Aug 2012 19:05 #4

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Cock.


Ive told you befor oi oi oi im not gay no you cant have it :umm:
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Re: Freedom of speech yes or no? 04 Aug 2012 19:08 #5

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nirvana wrote:
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Cock.


Ive told you befor oi oi oi im not gay no you cant have it :umm:

Oi...back off, you slut. :bat:
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Re: Freedom of speech yes or no? 04 Aug 2012 19:20 #6

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I have no idea if people here are serious or not when they reply.

But the expression head cock of cock city is hilarious
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Re: Freedom of speech yes or no? 04 Aug 2012 20:14 #7

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*sidles up to abs and stands just behind his left shoulder feeling all protected and nice*

Yeah back off Nirvana!

Rick, rest assured that when I refer to Dawkins as HCofCC, I'm being deathly serious. In fact, he's the President of the United States of Cock
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Re: Freedom of speech yes or no? 04 Aug 2012 21:47 #8

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I think you'll find he's Honourary Life Cock and Professor Emeritus of Cock Studies within the Department of Cock at Cock University, in the city of Cock, Cockshire, United Cockdom.
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Re: Freedom of speech yes or no? 04 Aug 2012 22:10 #9

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"We've been getting nicer, more humane, less violent"

:rofl:

That's the thing with Dawkins. He believes Western secular society is the epitome of all that is wonderful and it's Muslim primitives and other religious people that hold back the onward glorious march of Western progess. Part of this 'progress' and "alleviation of poverty" is being part of an American style elitist university for the privilege

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/ju...-univerity-is-odious

Dawkins stles himself as the ultimate critic of the foolishness of religion, yet gets owned on his poor understanding of religion by a fucking Marxist.

I quite like this section
Such is Dawkins’s unruffled scientific impartiality that in a book of almost four hundred pages, he can scarcely bring himself to concede that a single human benefit has flowed from religious faith, a view which is as a priori improbable as it is empirically false. The countless millions who have devoted their lives selflessly to the service of others in the name of Christ or Buddha or Allah are wiped from human history – and this by a self-appointed crusader against bigotry. He is like a man who equates socialism with the Gulag. Like the puritan and sex, Dawkins sees God everywhere, even where he is self-evidently absent. He thinks, for example, that the ethno-political conflict in Northern Ireland would evaporate if religion did, which to someone like me, who lives there part of the time, betrays just how little he knows about it. He also thinks rather strangely that the terms Loyalist and Nationalist are ‘euphemisms’ for Protestant and Catholic, and clearly doesn’t know the difference between a Loyalist and a Unionist or a Nationalist and a Republican. He also holds, against a good deal of the available evidence, that Islamic terrorism is inspired by religion rather than politics.

These are not just the views of an enraged atheist. They are the opinions of a readily identifiable kind of English middle-class liberal rationalist. Reading Dawkins, who occasionally writes as though ‘Thou still unravish’d bride of quietness’ is a mighty funny way to describe a Grecian urn, one can be reasonably certain that he would not be Europe’s greatest enthusiast for Foucault, psychoanalysis, agitprop, Dadaism, anarchism or separatist feminism. All of these phenomena, one imagines, would be as distasteful to his brisk, bloodless rationality as the virgin birth. Yet one can of course be an atheist and a fervent fan of them all. His God-hating, then, is by no means simply the view of a scientist admirably cleansed of prejudice. It belongs to a specific cultural context. One would not expect to muster many votes for either anarchism or the virgin birth in North Oxford. (I should point out that I use the term North Oxford in an ideological rather than geographical sense. Dawkins may be relieved to know that I don’t actually know where he lives.)

There is a very English brand of common sense that believes mostly in what it can touch, weigh and taste, and The God Delusion springs from, among other places, that particular stable. At its most philistine and provincial, it makes Dick Cheney sound like Thomas Mann. The secular Ten Commandments that Dawkins commends to us, one of which advises us to enjoy our sex lives so long as they don’t damage others, are for the most part liberal platitudes. Dawkins quite rightly detests fundamentalists; but as far as I know his anti-religious diatribes have never been matched in his work by a critique of the global capitalism that generates the hatred, anxiety, insecurity and sense of humiliation that breed fundamentalism. Instead, as the obtuse media chatter has it, it’s all down to religion.

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Re: Freedom of speech yes or no? 04 Aug 2012 22:54 #10

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I just don't have any time for people that are this needlessly rude to people:



You'd think with all the unqualified, uncritical praise that he receives, and the vast number of acolytes willing to viciously attack anyone that has the temerity to suggest for a second that he's anything less than unfallible, that he might be able to handle a very slightly critical question without attempting to humiliate the person. Apparently not. If it'd been me, or any normal person, they would just have said "yeah, okay, I might be wrong. Thanks for coming".
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Re: Freedom of speech yes or no? 04 Aug 2012 23:14 #11

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Depends if you include politicians, lol :)
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Re: Freedom of speech yes or no? 04 Aug 2012 23:15 #12

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I forgot to mention that years ago I read The Selfish Gene, and this was the start of the Introduction:
It is sobering to realise that I have lived nearly half my life with The
Selfish Gene — for better, for worse. Over the years, as each of my seven
subsequent books has appeared, publishers have sent me on tour to
promote it. Audiences respond to the new book, whichever one it is,
with gratifying enthusiasm, applaud politely and ask intelligent questions.
Then they line up to buy, and have me sign . . . The Selfish Gene.
That is a bit of an exaggeration. Some of them do buy the new book
and, for the rest, my wife consoles me by arguing that people who
newly discover an author will naturally tend to go back to his first book:
having read The Selfish Gene, surely they'll work their way through to
the latest and (to its fond parent) favourite baby?

I would mind more if I could claim that The Selfish Gene had become
severely outmoded and superseded. Unfortunately (from one
point of view) I cannot. Details have changed and factual examples
burgeoned mightily. But, with an exception that I shall discuss in a
moment, there is little in the book that I would rush to take back now,
or apologise for. Arthur Cain, late Professor of Zoology at Liverpool
and one of my inspiring tutors at Oxford in the sixties, described The
Selfish Gene in 1976 as a 'young man's book'. He was deliberately
quoting a commentator on A. J. Ayer's Language Truth and Logic. I was
flattered by the comparison, although I knew that Ayer had recanted
much of his first book and I could hardly miss Cain's pointed implication
that I should, in the fullness of time, do the same.

Let me begin with some second thoughts about the title. In 1975,
through the mediation of my friend Desmond Morris I showed the
partially completed book to Tom Maschler, doyen of London publishers,
and we discussed it in his room at Jonathan Cape...

Couldn't you fit any more name-dropping into the first page, Rich? Oh, I'm so perturbed that everyone loves The Selfish Gene so much and lots of people ask me to sign it, and of course, it pains me to say that absolutely everything in it has completely stood the test of time, as I reflected one afternoon while in discussion with David Attenborough, the Sultan of Bruneil and Orson Welles over a game of backgammon.
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Re: Freedom of speech yes or no? 04 Aug 2012 23:19 #13

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This to me is why I state that Dawkins is a cock. He totally undermines any possible sound argument he may have by being pompous, arrogant, rude and often down right nasty. Its one thing to present your case clearly and exercise free speech, it's an altogether different thing to take the approach he does. He devalues every thing he does and says by being a cock about it, which is a real shame.

REF: His response to Skepchick blogger Rebecca Watson's innocuous post about being uncomfortable with a man asking her back to his hotel room:

Rebecca Watson:
“So I walk to the elevator, and a man got on the elevator with me and said, ‘Don’t take this the wrong way, but I find you very interesting, and I would like to talk more. Would you like to come to my hotel room for coffee?’

Um, just a word to wise here, guys, uh, don’t do that. You know, I don’t really know how else to explain how this makes me incredibly uncomfortable, but I’ll just sort of lay it out that I was a single woman, you know, in a foreign country, at 4:00 am, in a hotel elevator, with you, just you, and–don’t invite me back to your hotel room right after I finish talking about how it creeps me out and makes me uncomfortable when men sexualize me in that manner…”

Richard Dawkins
" Dear Muslima

Stop whining, will you. Yes, yes, I know you had your genitals mutilated with a razor blade, and ... yawn ... don't tell me yet again, I know you aren't allowed to drive a car, and you can't leave the house without a male relative, and your husband is allowed to beat you, and you'll be stoned to death if you commit adultery. But stop whining, will you. Think of the suffering your poor American sisters have to put up with.

Only this week I heard of one, she calls herself Skep"chick", and do you know what happened to her? A man in a hotel elevator invited her back to his room for coffee. I am not exaggerating. He really did. He invited her back to his room for coffee. Of course she said no, and of course he didn't lay a finger on her, but even so...

And you, Muslima, think you have misogyny to complain about! For goodness sake grow up, or at least grow a thicker skin."


Totally uncalled for sarcastic agenda riddled crap.

Total cock

Freedom of Speech is NOT an excuse for being a total cock with your words........
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Re: Freedom of speech yes or no? 04 Aug 2012 23:24 #14

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Regarding the "hate-filled, bearded youths" of Jaipur...surely it was their right to protest at the proposed speakers? :think:
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Re: Freedom of speech yes or no? 04 Aug 2012 23:26 #15

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
I and the vast number of acolytes willing to viciously attack anyone that has the temerity to suggest for a second that he's anything less than unfallible.

Maybe Dawkins is God? :O

He's a bit disingenous in that clip. Sure if you're raised a Christian it's reasonably likely you'll be a Christian. But attributing religion to upbringing doesn't explain e.g. why Cat Stevens decided to become a Muslim or why former Combat 18 neo-Nazi David Myatt decidfed to become a Muslim and then reject that and invent his own 'numinous way'. It doesn't explain why people raised as Christians decide to become pagans. It doesn't explain why people raised as Jews decide to become Christians.
It's a bit like saying if you're raised Tory, you'll be a Tory and that explains Tories.

He's also conflating cultural norms with spirituality - I was raised a Christian, have been baptised and am thus nominally a Christian but am an atheist. Years ago I might have gone to church just because it was the 'done thing'.

I'm an atheist, but I think it's a bit fucking dumb not to recognise religions that have nothing to do with their upbringing can resonate with people. As can political ideas. He just doesn't seem to want to try to understand what people find in religions and doesn't seem to comprehend lots of people change their religion or discover their religion. I just can't get over what a twat he's being in that clip.
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Re: Freedom of speech yes or no? 04 Aug 2012 23:40 #16

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This to me is why I state that Dawkins is a cock. He totally undermines any possible sound argument he may have by being pompous, arrogant, rude and often down right nasty. Its one thing to present your case clearly and exercise free speech, it's an altogether different thing to take the approach he does. He devalues every thing he does and says by being a cock about it, which is a real shame.

REF: His response to Skepchick blogger Rebecca Watson's innocuous post about being uncomfortable with a man asking her back to his hotel room:

Rebecca Watson:
“So I walk to the elevator, and a man got on the elevator with me and said, ‘Don’t take this the wrong way, but I find you very interesting, and I would like to talk more. Would you like to come to my hotel room for coffee?’

Um, just a word to wise here, guys, uh, don’t do that. You know, I don’t really know how else to explain how this makes me incredibly uncomfortable, but I’ll just sort of lay it out that I was a single woman, you know, in a foreign country, at 4:00 am, in a hotel elevator, with you, just you, and–don’t invite me back to your hotel room right after I finish talking about how it creeps me out and makes me uncomfortable when men sexualize me in that manner…”

Richard Dawkins
" Dear Muslima

Stop whining, will you. Yes, yes, I know you had your genitals mutilated with a razor blade, and ... yawn ... don't tell me yet again, I know you aren't allowed to drive a car, and you can't leave the house without a male relative, and your husband is allowed to beat you, and you'll be stoned to death if you commit adultery. But stop whining, will you. Think of the suffering your poor American sisters have to put up with.

Only this week I heard of one, she calls herself Skep"chick", and do you know what happened to her? A man in a hotel elevator invited her back to his room for coffee. I am not exaggerating. He really did. He invited her back to his room for coffee. Of course she said no, and of course he didn't lay a finger on her, but even so...

And you, Muslima, think you have misogyny to complain about! For goodness sake grow up, or at least grow a thicker skin."


Totally uncalled for sarcastic agenda riddled crap.

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Freedom of Speech is NOT an excuse for being a total cock with your words........

Based on this, shouldn't Richard Dawkins grow a thicker skin and stop whining about Salman Rusdie not being able to go on with himself about some literary stuff on some video screen in a country chock full of extreme poverty where stacks of people would love to have Rushdie's lifestyle?
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Re: Freedom of speech yes or no? 05 Aug 2012 00:03 #17

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dubmeup wrote:
Totally uncalled for sarcastic agenda riddled crap.

Total cock

Freedom of Speech is NOT an excuse for being a total cock with your words........
Atrocious behaviour, it's actually just a fairly sensible piece of advice. Don't ask women who are on their own back to your hotel room if you don't want your intentions to be misconstrued. Hardly revolutionary, is it?

As for Salman Rushdie, I'm not surprised to see Dawkins sticking up for him, as he is possibly the only writer capable of writing books more pompous, boring and self-regarding than Dawkins. My dad described The Satanic Verses as possibly the most excruciatingly boring book ever written, so perhaps all the people that objected to it just wanted their money back? Seems fair enough to me.
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Re: Freedom of speech yes or no? 05 Aug 2012 01:52 #18

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I started reading his book, 'The God Delusion' out of curiosity.

It was dog dirt.

Not many books I don't finish.
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I don't think people understand that freedom comes with responsibility these days.

So should people have pure unadulterated freedom of speech, i don't think so, things like inciting ethnic persecution, inciting terrorism, preaching destructive, hurtful things shouldn't be tolerated, in a world of so many easily led, misinformed people, freedom of speech could be extremely dangerous.
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