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TOPIC: What causes humans & animals to be carnivores?

Re: What causes humans & animals to be carnivores? 20 Aug 2012 16:01 #21

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Scarcity caused it initially imo from a human perspective. Since, it's been an almost intrinsic addiction.
I just can't get my head around eating the inside of dead animals. It just seems so weird to me. Primitive really.


Scarcity of nutrition?
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Re: What causes humans & animals to be carnivores? 20 Aug 2012 16:08 #22

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RealAmerican wrote:
Space Bandit wrote:
Scarcity caused it initially imo from a human perspective. Since, it's been an almost intrinsic addiction.
I just can't get my head around eating the inside of dead animals. It just seems so weird to me. Primitive really.


Scarcity of nutrition?

Yes.
Food security would be paramount.
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Re: What causes humans & animals to be carnivores? 20 Aug 2012 21:53 #23

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Maybe it's a survival thing. Humans and some other animals and birds eat anything. I went for a walk a while ago and saw some crows pecking at something on the floor. As we got closer they flew away, and the thing they were pecking at turned out to be a dog poo. :barfonu: I also saw a magpie eating some vomit on the pavement in the town centre. :dunno:

In Iceland they have hakarl which is Greenland shark. It's poisonous, but they ferment it and hang it up to dry for 4-5 months and then it's edible. Apparently this stems from a period of famine. I suppose people will try eating anything if they are hungry enough and if it doesn't kill them it's fair game, and if it tastes nice it's a bonus.

Some people have even turned to canibalism in times of famine. :O
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Re: What causes humans & animals to be carnivores? 20 Aug 2012 23:21 #24

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RealAmerican wrote:
Space Bandit wrote:
Scarcity caused it initially imo from a human perspective. Since, it's been an almost intrinsic addiction.
I just can't get my head around eating the inside of dead animals. It just seems so weird to me. Primitive really.


Scarcity of nutrition?

To the best of my knowledge, we can only speculate as to why we've taken the omnivorous path. Over all, I do think the likeliness of nutritional scarcity is what caused our species to shift physically, and shorten our digestive track to aid in processing meats. Our species developed under the stress of the ice age. Since a good deal of the moisture was frozen, I would imagine there to be large areas with tundra-like climates. What lush areas there were, were likely melt water runoff from glaciers. A majority of of the species would likely be huddled around these jungle oases, with some specialists and generalists being the exception.

Something must have happened to push our species out of the lush forest/jungle setting, and into the arid grasslands/Savanna. My guess would be other apes more physically suited to a forest environment, or predators (ancient leopards, etc). It could have even been a series of natural disasters like volcanoes. The weight from the massive glaciers of the Pleistocene would have forced land up where there was no land, and thus created volcanoes to boot. They could have devastated forest/jungle regions. Typical genetics probably didn't work out in the harsher climates, so natural selection kicked in and might have supported the taller ones with longer legs. It would have allowed our ancestors to spot predators in tall grass. That could have led to other advantages that we currently utilize today thanks to bipedalism.

The open grasslands were probably not nearly as forgiving, especially nutritionally. I'm sure some tried meat out of despiration one day and became sick. Eventually they may have crossed the charred remains of an animal killed by wildfires/volcanoes, and found the meat to be more digestible. Eventually this could have led to man utilizing fire for nutritional purposes. Living in such a harsh and unforgiving environment could have also been the cause of our rapid intellectual and conscious development. You either outsmart your competition/predators, or you become large and armored like herbivores with their thick hides and horns. We took the more intellectual route, and it's paid off up until the advent of the industrial revolution. Of course this is just me speculating, as it's almost impossible to know what caused our dietary shift during our development.
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Re: What causes humans & animals to be carnivores? 21 Aug 2012 03:32 #25

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^Impressive Speculation Mrindigo ...
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Re: What causes humans & animals to be carnivores? 21 Aug 2012 04:23 #26

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This is an interesting topic. I think nature naturally plays a part (pardon the pun). Of course there are examples of animals going against their nature. The vegetarian Lioness for example.

Lion&Lamb


www.vegetarismus.ch/vegepet/tyke.htm


I think most people eat what they grow up eating. In other words what their parents feed them. They might develop different attitudes towards certain foods based on things that they learn or perhaps like myself they might just never really enjoy eating flesh. I remember as a child being really grossed out by seeing the liver that was for dinner. The idea of eating a pork sausage was just really disgusting to me. I became a vegetarian and really don`t have too much to do with dairy. I am not vegan but mainly that is out of convenience and me being kind of picky about food.

I agree that the worst thing about meat is how it is treated before it makes it to the dinner table. I would not be interested in eating any kind of meat though. You simply lose the taste for it. I would not suggest watching Earthlings because that shit is just sad to watch.
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Re: What causes humans & animals to be carnivores? 21 Aug 2012 05:28 #27

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Re: What causes humans & animals to be carnivores? 21 Aug 2012 20:42 #28

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RealAmerican wrote:

Lions are often regarded as superior hunters. In actuality, Hyenas have a higher hunting success rate than they do. Usually it's the lions who steal kills, so this video is pretty unique. Very interesting.
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Re: What causes humans & animals to be carnivores? 22 Aug 2012 05:51 #29

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Mrindigo wrote:

Lions are often regarded as superior hunters. In actuality, Hyenas have a higher hunting success rate than they do. Usually it's the lions who steal kills, so this video is pretty unique. Very interesting.

That was just an example of strength in numbers...

Same as this...

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Re: What causes humans & animals to be carnivores? 22 Aug 2012 20:09 #30

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Wheres ratiocinator when you need him? (to get a thread going) :joker:

(gives Boots nightmares)

lol, ratio, was your typical mad vegan he was so fanatical to point he lost his cool and sent me a PM telling me he want to kill me :O :rofl: then he started making threads about me :chuckle: . Thats typical of those who over the years loose their natural supply of Vit, B 12. thelyran, aka, billy ruben was another one who succumb to the B 12 deficiency.

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