Sanctum Zone

Keyword
A+ A A-
Welcome, Guest
Username: Password: Remember me
  • Page:
  • 1
  • 2

TOPIC: does alot of the shit in the world eminate from Tavistock mind control?

does alot of the shit in the world eminate from Tavistock mind control? 16 Nov 2012 21:42 #1

  • coates
  • coates's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Junior Boarder
  • Rank2
  • Posts: 354
  • Thank you received: 57
  • Karma: 0
Was Hitler an Illuminati Agent ? (Encore)

(From Jan 2006)

By Henry Makow Ph.D

Greg Hallett's book "Hitler Was A British Agent" depicts war as a ghoulish illusion conjured by occult magicians in order to degrade and eventually enslave humanity in world government.

Hallett's claim that Hitler was a "British" agent is based on the testimony of a shadowy network of retired intelligence agents. While he fails to provide documentary proof, Hallett does offer persuasive circumstantial evidence.

For example, Adolph Hitler was in England in 1912-1913, a fact supported by his sister-in-law's book: "The Memoirs of Bridget Hitler"(1979). Many historians including Hitler biographer John Toland have ignored this startling information. (If Hallett is right, historians like Toland are guilty of sanitizing Hitler and actually making him more credible than he was.)

Hallett says Hitler spent February to November 1912 being brainwashed and trained at the British Military Psych-Ops War School at Tavistock in Devon and in Ireland. "War machines need war and [that means they need] funded, trained and supported double agents to be their patsies, their puppets and their puppet enemies," Hallett writes (38).

His sister-in-law describes Hitler as completely wasted when he arrived at her Liverpool home baggage-less. "I had an idea he was ill, his color was so bad and his eyes looked so peculiar," she wrote. "He was always reading, not books, little pamphlets printed in German. I don't know what was in them nor exactly where they came from." (pp. 29,35) Hallett says these were Tavistock training manuals.

"Hitler was a British Agent" is useful as an alternative paradigm. (Usually we cannot recognize truth because we have the wrong paradigm, i.e. our "education.") When Hallett says "British", he means Illuminati, the Masonic cult of super rich bankers who control an interlocking network of cartels. This cult is based in the City of London but uses England and most nations and ideologies, as sock puppets in a Punch and Judy show called history.

Hallett's claim would clarify many improbable events in the Second World War. For example, why did Hitler let 335,000 Allied soldiers escape at Dunkirk? This quixotic gesture was explained as a peace overture, but surely England would have been more attentive if its army were in Nazi POW camps.

The Nazi triumph in May 1940 was like a knock-out in the first round. The Illuminati did not intend for the match to end so soon, nor for the Nazis to win.

In the summer of 1940, when Britain was prostrate, Nazi Military Intelligence Chief (Abwehr) Admiral Wilhelm Canaris told Romanian Foreign Minister Prince Michael Sturdza to stay neutral because England would win the war. He also gave this message to Spanish dictator Franco.

Hallett's theory also explains why Hitler, supposedly the arch enemy of Jewish bankers, acted like he didn't know the Rothschilds controlled England (and America) when this was practically common knowledge. (See, Hilaire Belloc, "The Jews" 1922). If Hitler were for real, he wouldn't have tried to accommodate these countries. England would have been invaded and conquered before Russia was attacked.

Hallett's hypothesis explains 1)Why Hitler was able to expand into the Rhineland etc. without fear of retaliation. 2) Why the Nazi war machine was financed and built by the Bank of England and a Who's Who of Anglo American corporations controlled by the Illuminati. 3) Why Hitler never sealed the Mediterranean at Gibraltar; and why the Spanish dictator Franco remained neutral, despite the huge debt he owed the Nazis from the Civil War. 4) Why I.G. Farben headquarters in Frankfurt was never bombed. This became CIA headquarters. 5) Why the Bank of England rewarded Hitler for taking Prague by giving him the Czech gold reserves held in London.

It would explain why Hitler gave his ridiculous racial policies priority over actually winning the war. He could have enlisted millions of Slavs (and even many Jews) in overcoming Communist Russia. Instead, he made them implacable enemies willing to fight to the death.

We could question why Japan attacked the U.S. instead of Russia; why the Nazis never figured out that their communications were compromised; why Hitler didn't conquer the oil fields of Russia and the Middle East when he had the chance etc. but you get the picture. The fix was in.

WHO WAS HITLER?

The biggest improbability of all is that an Austrian tramp, street cleaner and gay prostitute could become the Chancellor of Germany. Hitler joins a long list of obscure blackmail-able figures who have been catapulted to world prominence with the aid of an unseen hand.

Hallett writes that Hitler's grandfather was Nathan Meyer Rothschild. Maria Schickelgruber, Hitler's grandmother, was a maid in the Rothschild's Vienna mansion when his father, Alois was conceived "in fear" in a satanic ritual rape. The Rothschilds could only marry within their extended family so they had illegitimate children who functioned as anonymous agents.

(Apparently this is a pattern with the Illuminati. Bill Clinton is rumored to be a Rockefeller.)

His grandmother received child support from a Jewish businessman who was probably an intermediary for his grandfather. Bridget Hitler quotes Hitler's sister Paula: "Since [Adolf] started the race laws we have no grandfather, Adolf and I. Certainly anyone who wished could make a good deal out of that." (Memoirs, p. 175)

Rothschild's son, Alois Hitler's third marriage was to his niece, Klara, who became Hitler's mother. His father was abusive and his mother over- compensated. Hitler became destitute at age 18 when his mother died, and he lived in a Vienna men's hostel that was a homosexual haunt.

According to Lothar Machtan's "The Hidden Hitler"(2001), there is no question Hitler was a homosexual with a long police record for harassing men in both in Munich and Vienna. These records reached both Russia and England but were never used for propaganda, more evidence that the war may have been a charade. (Machtan also says Hitler tried to join the Communist Party after the war but was rejected for demanding too much, evidence he may have been a "gun for hire.")

MAKING OF A MADMAN

In 1912, Hitler traveled to England for training as an Illuminati agent which took place in German. This "training" ranged from imbibing a sense of his role in Germany's destiny to learning how to mesmerize audiences.

It also included trauma brainwashing. The "alter's" consciousness is shattered by witnessing savage atrocities and suffering sexual abuse, all of which is filmed. Then the various fragments of consciousness are programmed and can be accessed with special code words. (Read Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler for a detailed description of Illuminati mind control techniques. )

Hitler returned to Germany in May 1913 and enlisted in the German army. During World War One, he served as a runner and was captured twice by the English. On both occasions, he was spared execution by an "angel" in British intelligence.

According to Hallett, Hitler enjoyed having women defecate on him. He also had undersized genitals and only one testicle. (Many women whom he courted committed suicide. The love of his life was his 17-year-old half-niece Geli whom he murdered in 1931 when she got pregnant by his chauffeur. Machtan argues that Hitlers real affections were for the chauffeur.)

(For more on Nazi Homosexuality, see "The Pink Swastika" online.

IMPLICATIONS


History is unfolding according to the Illuminati's long-term plan. Wars are plotted decades in advance and orchestrated to achieve the destruction of nations and natural elites, depopulation, demoralization, and of course power and profit.

The super rich have organized themselves into a satanic cult to prey on mankind and to establish their permanent hegemony. Put yourself in the central bankers' shoes. The nations of the world owe you trillions based on money you printed for the cost of paper and ink. The only way to protect this "investment" is to establish a thinly disguised dictatorship, using sophisticated methods of social and mind control. This is the true meaning of the "War on Terror." It's not directed at "Muslim terrorists." It's directed at you and me.

According to Hallett, Joseph Stalin was another Illuminati "agent of war" who attended the Tavistock Psyche Ops training school in 1907. Clifford Shack has suggested that Stalin was also an illegitimate offspring of a Rothschild.

Hallett says Hitler's death was faked (a double was killed) and Hitler escaped to Barcelona where he lived until 1950, when he died of stomach cancer.

Greg Hallett is a maverick and his rambling book is full of repetition and digressions. I wouldn't swear by any of Hallett's claims as yet. But he deserves our thanks for advancing an alternative view of history that while far- fetched is more plausible than what supposedly transpired. We should be able to entertain speculative views without feeling compelled to accept or reject them.

World War Two achieved all of the Illuminati's goals. Germany and Japan were turned into a wasteland. Sixty million people were slaughtered. The Jewish holocaust motivated Jews to establish the Rothschild's world government headquarters in Israel. Idealists and natural leaders on both sides were slaughtered. Nations were laden with debt. The United Nations rose like a phoenix from the ashes. Hiroshima cast a pall of terror over the world. The USSR was a superpower and controlled Eastern Europe. The stage was set for the next act...the Cold War.

Given the bleak outlook for humanity, there is a tendency to actually idealize Hitler as an opponent of central banker hegemony. Hallett's book is an important reminder that like Stalin and Mao, Hitler was an agent; and the Illuminati sponsor "enemies" in order to foment conflict, and keep humanity in its thrall.
You must register to post here.

Re: does alot of the shit in the world eminate from Tavistock mind control? 16 Nov 2012 21:46 #2

  • andyh
  • andyh's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Rank6
  • Posts: 10337
  • Thank you received: 3545
  • Karma: 62
I wouldn't give Henry Makow the time of day.
The guy thinks libertarians are communists...

This..
One Dollar Bill Reverse United States


is what makes everything happen.

Just a pity too many people talk bollocks instead.
“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
You must register to post here.
The following user(s) said Thank You: thoreau, humanspirit

Re: does alot of the shit in the world eminate from Tavistock mind control? 16 Nov 2012 21:57 #3

  • coates
  • coates's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Junior Boarder
  • Rank2
  • Posts: 354
  • Thank you received: 57
  • Karma: 0
andyh wrote:
I wouldn't give Henry Makow the time of day.
The guy thinks libertarians are communists...

This..
One Dollar Bill Reverse United States


is what makes everything happen.

Just a pity too many people talk bollocks instead.

YES but that dollar bill symbolises not just money but the cult of 11-11...
You must register to post here.

Re: does alot of the shit in the world eminate from Tavistock mind control? 16 Nov 2012 22:04 #4

  • andyh
  • andyh's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Rank6
  • Posts: 10337
  • Thank you received: 3545
  • Karma: 62
coates wrote:
andyh wrote:
I wouldn't give Henry Makow the time of day.
The guy thinks libertarians are communists...

This..
One Dollar Bill Reverse United States


is what makes everything happen.

Just a pity too many people talk bollocks instead.

YES but that dollar bill symbolises not just money but the cult of 11-11...

Any bill. Could be this one..
English%20fifty%20pound%20note


Same thing.
“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
You must register to post here.

Re: does alot of the shit in the world eminate from Tavistock mind control? 16 Nov 2012 22:10 #5

  • MrsGood
  • MrsGood's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Senior Boarder
  • Rank3
  • Posts: 873
  • Thank you received: 388
  • Karma: 0
:ot: Are you parked outside a maccy d's to be getting signal coates
You must register to post here.

Re: does alot of the shit in the world eminate from Tavistock mind control? 16 Nov 2012 22:20 #6

  • Black Cloud
  • Black Cloud's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Go Boil An Egg....
  • Posts: 2658
  • Thank you received: 1227
  • Karma: 22
Hitler used to drive my tractor
I Speak Four Languages Sarcasm English Profanity, And Real Shit...

When we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope we use.
Joseph Stalin
You must register to post here.

Re: does alot of the shit in the world eminate from Tavistock mind control? 16 Nov 2012 22:38 #7

  • StarsChildren
  • StarsChildren's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • El Blanca Loco Uno
  • Posts: 2786
  • Thank you received: 1427
  • Karma: 45
I just skimmed it over, for the moment. But what stands out to me is the claim that Hitler was "brainwashed" using techniques described as MK-Ultra or Super soldier type training, yet everything I have ever read or heard says the Nazi's are the ones who finally achieved that type of brainwashing. Full control resulting from reprogramming a subject through compartmentalization of a subjects brain through torture, the viewing of specific rituals, abuse, electronic devices. If the Nazi's are the ones who finally perfected this method of control, there is no chance it was used on Hitler pre-WW2.

Now, do I argue the man was a sociopath? Fucking off his rocker in every direction? Undercover, or a pawn for someone else, so far under he had no clue which way was up anymore? No... the man was downright certifiable. But was this the result of brainwashing, or was this the result of trauma and a twisted look on the world, or following orders from his higher ups for so long he didn't know what was right or wrong anymore? He had diseases, he shakes on films, he looks ghostly sick on other films...maybe he had some form of bi-polar, mass chemical imbalances in his brain...but the subject of mind control? I doubt it, especially if the Nazi's are the ones who perfected this.

Maybe he was perfectly sane though... wiping out what he saw as the enemy, wasn't a pawn or anything else...maybe he was absolutely brilliant and tried to wipe out the Illuminated/Illuminati and help...maybe all those months/years he had people searching India and temples he was actually looking for something to help the world and we've got it all wrong. Who knows. At this point, there is no hard evidence any direction as to who he was, or why he did what he did...history has been rewritten so many times, and is going about that again in recent years (they are no longer teaching about the Holocaust in some American schools now, and I distinctly remember in 7th grade, they had two survivors with the brands on their arms come to where I went to school and talk to us).

I don't know where I am going with that...but as interesting as that article/story is, I can't fathom him being a victim of mind control. It is an interesting theory though, and would explain a lot, except it doesn't fit with other things I have read and heard, so :dunno:
I came into this world kicking and screaming while covered in someone elses blood
and I have no problem with going out the same way :twisted:
You must register to post here.

Re: does alot of the shit in the world eminate from Tavistock mind control? 16 Nov 2012 22:41 #8

  • andyh
  • andyh's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Rank6
  • Posts: 10337
  • Thank you received: 3545
  • Karma: 62
He was the same as jimmy savile, just as he was the same as cyril smith, just as he was the same as george bush, just as he was the same as polpot.
All total lunatics.

Unfortunately we end up putting them in power.
“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
You must register to post here.

Re: does alot of the shit in the world eminate from Tavistock mind control? 16 Nov 2012 22:48 #9

  • StarsChildren
  • StarsChildren's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • El Blanca Loco Uno
  • Posts: 2786
  • Thank you received: 1427
  • Karma: 45
andyh wrote:
He was the same as jimmy savile, just as he was the same as cyril smith, just as he was the same as george bush, just as he was the same as polpot.
All total lunatics.

Unfortunately we end up putting them in power.[

Agreed, they are all fucking loony bin material... but disagree, we do not put them in power, we fall in line.
I came into this world kicking and screaming while covered in someone elses blood
and I have no problem with going out the same way :twisted:
Last Edit: 16 Nov 2012 22:48 by StarsChildren. Reason: fixing quote
You must register to post here.
The following user(s) said Thank You: andyh

Re: does alot of the shit in the world eminate from Tavistock mind control? 16 Nov 2012 22:53 #10

  • novum
  • novum's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder 
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 4125
  • Thank you received: 2306
  • Karma: 0
I cant say i could ever really know what went on tbh, but i can see why some people would say WW2 could have been convenient for some, and do write-ups such as this...considering the plans for Palestine went back a way perhaps in the British Empire. That doesnt mean im saying Hitler was working with the British/American/UN empire...how the fuck can i know? ... but shit, two high ranking Nazis did marry Prince Phillips sisters hey, so perhaps some infiltration had happened or something...im just saying is it not plausible?

I mean they had been planning this for a while, the creation of a Jewish state, and wanted jewish people to migrate there.

I would say anyone who gets 'knighted' by the British crown/queen is because they are helping the crown in one way or another...this guy was one who was knighted...and supporting jewish people living in Palestine..note the dates...
Sir Moses Haim Montefiore, 1st Baronet, Kt FRS (24 October 1784 – 28 July 1885) was one of the most famous British Jews of the 19th century. Montefiore was a financier, banker, philanthropist and Sheriff of London.

He donated large sums of money to promote industry, education and health amongst the Jewish community in Palestine, including the founding of Mishkenot Sha'ananim in 1860, the first settlement of the New Yishuv.

As President of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, his correspondence with the British consul in Damascus Charles Henry Churchill in 1841-42 is seen as pivotal to the development of Proto-Zionism.

In 1812, Moses Montefiore married Judith Cohen (1784–1862), daughter of Levi Barent Cohen. Her sister, Henriette (or Hannah) (1783–1850), married Nathan Mayer Rothschild (1777–1836), for whom Montefiore's firm acted as stockbrokers. Nathan Rothschild headed the family's banking business in Britain, and the two brothers-in-law became business partners. Montefiore retired from his business in 1824, and used his time and fortune for communal and civic responsibilities.

Physically imposing at 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m), he was elected Sheriff of London in 1837 and served until 1838.

He was also knighted that same year by Queen Victoria and received a baronetcy in 1846 in recognition of his services to humanitarian causes on behalf of the Jewish people.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Montefiore

There are also Rothschilds who are knighted and they along with montefiore have the two main streets in Israel named after them.

To me its clear the current UN led power structure had been wanting the creation of Israel for a while, and we know once they want to do something they are capable of pretty much anything to make it happen. Just like when they decided they wanted Libya it wasnt long before Gaddaffi was being dragged thru the streets, butt poked with sticks and beaten to death, and of course they made sure it was filmed for all to see.

More reading here... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Zionism

Zionism as an organized movement is generally considered to have been fathered by Theodor Herzl in 1897; however the history of Zionism began earlier and related to Judaism and Jewish history. The Hovevei Zion, or the Lovers of Zion, were responsible for the creation of 20 new Jewish settlements in Palestine between 1870 and 1897.

In the late 1870s, Jewish philanthropists such as the Montefiores and the Rothschilds responded to the persecution of Jews in Eastern Europe by sponsoring agricultural settlements for Russian Jews in Palestine. The Jews who migrated in this period are known as the First Aliyah.[23] Aliyah is a Hebrew word meaning "ascent", referring to the act of spiritually "ascending" to the Holy Land and a basic tenet of Zionism.

Before the Holocaust the movement's central aims were the creation of a Jewish National Home and cultural centre in Palestine by facilitating Jewish migration. After the Holocaust, the movement focussed on creation of a "Jewish state" (usually defined as a secular state with a Jewish majority), attaining its goal in 1948 with the creation of Israel.

Since the creation of Israel, the importance of the Zionist movement as an organization has declined, as the Israeli state has grown stronger.

Ideas of the restoration of the Jews in the Land of Israel entered British public discourse in the early 19th century, at about the same time as the British Protestant Revival.

Not all such attitudes were favorable towards the Jews; they were shaped in part by a variety of Protestant beliefs, or by a streak of philo-Semitism among the classically educated British elite, or by hopes to extend the Empire. (See The Great Game)

At the urging of Lord Shaftesbury, Britain established a consulate in Jerusalem in 1838, the first diplomatic appointment in the city. In 1839, the Church of Scotland sent Andrew Bonar and Robert Murray M'Cheyne to report on the condition of the Jews there.

The report was widely published[16] and was followed by Memorandum to Protestant Monarchs of Europe for the restoration of the Jews to Palestine. In August 1840, The Times reported that the British government was considering Jewish restoration.

Correspondence in 1841–42 between Moses Montefiore, the President of the Board of Deputies of British Jews and Charles Henry Churchill, the British consul in Damascus, is seen as the first recorded plan proposed for political Zionism.

Lord Lindsay wrote in 1847: "The soil of Palestine still enjoys her sabbaths, and only waits for the return of her banished children, and the application of industry, commensurate with her agricultural capabilities, to burst once more into universal luxuriance, and be all that she ever was in the days of Solomon."

In 1851, correspondence between Lord Stanley, whose father became British Prime Minister the following year, and Benjamin Disraeli, who became Chancellor of the Exchequer alongside him, records Disraeli's proto-Zionist views: "He then unfolded a plan of restoring the nation to Palestine—said the country was admirably suited for them—the financiers all over Europe might help—the Porte is weak—the Turks/holders of property could be bought out—this, he said, was the object of his life...." Coningsby was merely a feelermy views were not fully developed at that time—since then all I have written has been for one purpose.

The man who should restore the Hebrew race to their country would be the Messiah—the real saviour of prophecy!" He did not add formally that he aspired to play this part, but it was evidently implied. He thought very highly of the capabilities of the country, and hinted that his chief object in acquiring power here would be to promote the return".[20][21] 26 years later, Disraeli wrote in his article entitled "The Jewish Question is the Oriental Quest" (1877) that within fifty years, a nation of one million Jews would reside in Palestine under the guidance of the British.

Sir Moses Montefiore visited the Land of Israel seven times and fostered its development.


Who knows for sure what happens behind the scenes...i dont claim to :dunno:

I know the military industrial complex likes to make money though, among a lot of other thoughts i have on this...including centralised control of the globe and its resources...and they will do pretty much anything to make these things happen.

So we have rich knighted bankers and British Prime ministers supporting this in the 19th century, so hence we can safely assume the British Crown was supporting the creation of Israel...then ww2 leads to the creation of Israel...so i can see why some of these stories come about.
Y11
You must register to post here.

Re: does alot of the shit in the world eminate from Tavistock mind control? 16 Nov 2012 23:00 #11

  • andyh
  • andyh's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Rank6
  • Posts: 10337
  • Thank you received: 3545
  • Karma: 62
StarsChildren wrote:
[we do not put them in power, we fall in line.

Same effect :)
“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
You must register to post here.

Re: does alot of the shit in the world eminate from Tavistock mind control? 16 Nov 2012 23:08 #12

  • novum
  • novum's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder 
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 4125
  • Thank you received: 2306
  • Karma: 0
Hitler%26Schwarzenegger


Rothschild Arn Buf


:hahano:

Oh yeah and off topic but weed is still illegal most places. :chuckle: (or is it, the UN is behind that too)

Do as i say not as i do of course...

Arnold Schwarzenegger 2
Y11
You must register to post here.

Re: does alot of the shit in the world eminate from Tavistock mind control? 16 Nov 2012 23:12 #13

  • StarsChildren
  • StarsChildren's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • El Blanca Loco Uno
  • Posts: 2786
  • Thank you received: 1427
  • Karma: 45
novum wrote:
Hitler%26Schwarzenegger

I think I'm gonna be sick *runs for bathroom* :barfonu:
I'd rather look at Hitler, even with that awful facial growth he had :umm: Arnold...lay OFF the steroids!
I came into this world kicking and screaming while covered in someone elses blood
and I have no problem with going out the same way :twisted:
You must register to post here.
The following user(s) said Thank You: MrsGood

Re: does alot of the shit in the world eminate from Tavistock mind control? 16 Nov 2012 23:26 #14

  • humanspirit
  • humanspirit's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Expert Boarder
  • Rank4
  • Posts: 1736
  • Thank you received: 894
  • Karma: 21
Hitler=Jesuit
Stalin (made of steel)=Jesuit
naivety attracts evil and evil attracts naivety
You must register to post here.

Re: does alot of the shit in the world eminate from Tavistock mind control? 16 Nov 2012 23:32 #15

  • coates
  • coates's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Junior Boarder
  • Rank2
  • Posts: 354
  • Thank you received: 57
  • Karma: 0
if hitler did visit liverpool though did he meet up with occultist george alexander sullivan or gerald gardner...maybe he was initiated there into the dark arts and went back to germany and planned both world wars with the fraterniti saturni occult group
You must register to post here.

Re: does alot of the shit in the world eminate from Tavistock mind control? 16 Nov 2012 23:39 #16

  • coates
  • coates's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Junior Boarder
  • Rank2
  • Posts: 354
  • Thank you received: 57
  • Karma: 0
A portrait of the
Communitas Saturni

History
The Communitas Saturni is a thelemic community of selected members who are determined to follow the path of Saturn. As an occult Freemason lodge the Communitas Saturni is working on the spiritual temple building of mankind, by seeking for ennobling their members and others spiritually and magically to bring about a general human league which is in miniature already represented by the Communitas Saturni. If we are even evolving ourselves, thus we may change the human society too. Concerning this we call upon Gregor A. Gregorius, the founder of the modern Saturn lodges.

Gregor A. Gregorius was secretary-general of Master Recnartus' “Grand Pansophic Lodge” in Berlin, Germany, before he founded the Fraternitas Saturni in 1928. Laying the foundations of the Fraternitas Saturni began with the council of Weida in Thuringia, Germany, convened in 1925 by Master Recnartus for the purpose of fixing the direction of the groupings leaded by him. Even the direction of the German division of the Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO) was devolved to Master Recnartus after the death of the Outer Head of Order (OHO) Theodor Reuss, however Reuss appointed Aleister Crowley being his successor. As probably the doctrines of Crowley were quite not accepted in Germany that time, the appointment of Crowley as new OHO met with massive resistance from the German OTO.
After the conference in Weida the direction of the German OTO fell upon Aleister Crowley which caused the splitting and then in 1926 the ritual closure of the Pansophia of Berlin. Those who accepted Aleister Crowley as Therion joined the OTO, and the others founded in 1928 under the Grand Master Gregor A. Gregorius a new saturnic lodge - the Fraternitas Saturni.

Shortly after Hitler's takeover in 1933 the Fraternitas fell a victim to the Nazis' censorship and was prohibited as many other parties, associations, or similar organizations that were considered suspicious at that time. Only in the Fifties some of the old members came together again to continue their work. The following time was characterized by great growth and activity for the order, but was soon in the early Sixties overshadowed by internal difficulties. Mainly after Gregorius' death in 1964 conflicts arose within the community which led to the retirement of many high degree members as well as to the splitting of the group. Various new groupings developed from this surrounding field, among others e.g. the Ordo Saturni, one of the few lodges that still exists, as well as the Fraternitas.

The history of the Communitas Saturni started in 1993, founded in Kaiserslautern, Germany by Grand Master Immanuel who transferred the grand lodge patent to the lodge. The Communitas Saturni works in the tradition and with the original rituals of Gregor A. Gregorius, and follows the high degree system of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. The name Communitas = Community instead of Fraternitas = Fraternity is intentional as the Communitas Saturni is working beyond the polarities.
After the Grand Master retired in the age of 72 from his active participation in the Communitas Saturni, the new Temple in Mannheim, Germany was initiated in April 1995. Then in 1998 the first orient of the Communitas Saturni in Wiesbaden, Germany could be inaugurated.

Why Saturn?
Astronomically Saturn was representing a long time the visible bound of our solar system, as the guardian of the boundaries and the mediator of inner and outer solar system. Saturn needs 29,5 years for its solar orbit and thus was the planet with the slowest orbital velocity. In mythology Saturn was i.a. the god of time and death (Kronos). One can see both polarities of Saturn uniting visually, with the spherical planet as masculine symbol surrounded by the rings as female symbol. Saturn represents the equalization of opposites as well as the union of negative and positive crafts. Saturn is beyond of dictions as “good and evil”, “black and white”. According to the Saturngnosis it is the symbol of bounds, guardian of the time and thus judge of karma and fate, death and reincarnation. Saturn works from within to without, appears supporting and all-embracing, is centre and surrounding. In the higher octave Saturn is the guardian of the threshold, the last frontier to divinity, from which we all were sent. In this capacity Saturn is equated with Lucifer as light bearer = Prometheus, who gave the fire to mankind because he really loved them in contrast to god Zeus. In the lower octave Saturn is equated with Satan as seducer, settling within the human ego and so avoiding the liberation of karmic entanglements. According to the world philosophy of the levels, Saturn is classified to the causal level where the karma of the worlds exist. At the end of times Saturn will judge karma and fate as redeemer in his positive sense, but also as destroyer in his negative sense, who will throw those souls into the Abyss which were non-transformed and stuck to the earth.

For this reasons we consider Saturn being analogical to the law ”Do what THOU wilt”. Do what thou wilt is not considered to ruthlessly imposing your based will, but to ”do your true divine will”, for everyone carries the spark of divinity within. To recognize and to regard this requires much work and extreme high ethical demands to the member of a Saturn-community.

Saturn as master of the human body and the unconscious ego which works outwards, shall help to push up the ego, according to the model “Every man and every woman is a star”. And like the stars existing within a community, so we set great importance to treating each other like brothers and sisters.

For Saturn is attached to the causal level, our occult Saturn-community is equated to the principle of a spiritual religion, also defined as high mental or causal religion. We allow our members to join any religion they like, provided that it meets with our ethics. Anyway, most of the religions are settled within the astral or lower mental level. As Saturn lodge we follow the path of Gnosis and perception, not the path of belief. We do not follow dogmatic doctrines and we refuse to worship entities from this level.
Every member contributes individually to the internal program of the lodge. So our magical and mystical orientation is as various as our members are.

Membership
At present two German orients exist in Mannheim and in Wiesbaden. Once a month on ”Saturn-day” we come together for celebrating the Saturn Ritual to get in touch with the cosmic crafts. Furthermore study groups meet for practising the different magical and mystical subjects of occultism.
Every member is obliged to evolve for increasing inner perfection and to bring their own experiences into the community, so that all the brothers and sisters may build upon this knowledge. Everyone may profit from this interchange of information by receiving further suggestions to follow the individual path of Saturn.
Since the CS is a hermetical order, our members must not talk with non-members about private matters of other members, nor lodge rituals or any didactic material. However many books have already been published about hermetic lodges, the tradition of discretion still makes sense, as the key to an experience is the gradual practice, e.g. to understand a ritual absolutely is only possible by the appropriate initiation.

Any adult person can become a member of the Communitas Saturni and will be integrated in the community for a probationary period of one year. This is an advantage for both parties, since the prospective neophyte as well as the community may have enough time to find out if the full initiation can be realized. Furthermore, the probational period serves the candidate to face the own duties towards Saturn as well as the will to working together in a community. Personal contact and the regular attendance at the monthly lodge meeting is really desirable.

In case of your interest we look forward to receiving your application to the following address:

Communitas Saturni - P.O. Box 100907 - 68009 Mannheim, Germany
e-Mail: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
You must register to post here.
The following user(s) said Thank You: StarsChildren

Re: does alot of the shit in the world eminate from Tavistock mind control? 16 Nov 2012 23:41 #17

  • StarsChildren
  • StarsChildren's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • El Blanca Loco Uno
  • Posts: 2786
  • Thank you received: 1427
  • Karma: 45
coates wrote:
if hitler did visit liverpool though did he meet up with occultist george alexander sullivan or gerald gardner...maybe he was initiated there into the dark arts and went back to germany and planned both world wars with the fraterniti saturni occult group

If he did visit, he probably did go to some meeting or another. You know how these people like to gather around blood flavored tea and biscuits wait, that's Sketti...never mind... green tea and biscuits. But I don't think he was brainwashed there, an accomplice, maybe... a pawn, sure... a victim of mind control? Doubt it.

Here is some reading for you:
Concentration Camp Experiments

Few people are aware that in the concentration camps of World War II, Nazi scientists worked feverishly to perfect the science of mind control on both individuals and populations. Dr. Josef Mengele supervised medical experiments at Auschwitz, becoming infamous there as the "Angel of Death." He and others were given free reign to torture, sexually abuse, and kill any concentration camp inmate in any way they pleased as they worked to perfect the science of mind control.

It is believed that using a combination of hypnosis, mind-altering drugs, and torture, Mengele eventually developed techniques which in a matter of hours could cause any individual to dissociate into multiple personalities.

When a person develops multiple personalities or "alters," the core personality typically has no awareness of the existence of created alters. Because the pain induced during the creation of these personalities is unbearably great, the individual's ego dissociates and creates an alter personality to handle the pain, yet blocks all conscious memory of this experience and of the alter created in order to be able to function in daily life.

Thus, those subjected to Mengele's cruel experiments had no conscious knowledge afterward of what had been done to them or how they were now under his control through the hidden alter personalities he had created. They were now programmed to serve as Manchurian Candidates – super spies whose core personalities were not even aware that they had alter personalities secretly designed to forward the plans of their programmers.

www.agoracosmopolitan.com/news/intrnatio...2012/04/09/3731.html
One of the first methodical studies on trauma-based mind control were conducted by Josef Mengele, a physician working in Nazi concentration camps. He initially gained notoriety for being one of the SS physicians who supervised the selection of arriving prisoners, determining who was to be killed and who was to become a forced labourer. However, he is mostly known for performing grisly human experiments on camp inmates, including children, for which Mengele was called the “Angel of Death”.

secretarcana.com/hiddenknowledge/monarch...amming-mind-control/
I came into this world kicking and screaming while covered in someone elses blood
and I have no problem with going out the same way :twisted:
You must register to post here.

Re: does alot of the shit in the world eminate from Tavistock mind control? 16 Nov 2012 23:41 #18

  • humanspirit
  • humanspirit's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Expert Boarder
  • Rank4
  • Posts: 1736
  • Thank you received: 894
  • Karma: 21
coates wrote:
if hitler did visit liverpool though did he meet up with occultist george alexander sullivan or gerald gardner...maybe he was initiated there into the dark arts and went back to germany and planned both world wars with the fraterniti saturni occult group

What are your views coates on the companies that financed Hitler and used slave labour during Hitlers rule.

Examples
Siemens
I G Farben
General Electrics
Standard Oil
Ford
and so on
naivety attracts evil and evil attracts naivety
You must register to post here.

Re: does alot of the shit in the world eminate from Tavistock mind control? 16 Nov 2012 23:46 #19

  • novum
  • novum's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder 
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 4125
  • Thank you received: 2306
  • Karma: 0
humanspirit wrote:
Examples
Siemens
I G Farben
General Electrics
Standard Oil
Ford

I unavoidably have to do tasks today that involve all of the above!

Except standard oil im not sure about, but if you believe the theories out there, then yes them too. :umm:
Y11
You must register to post here.

Re: does alot of the shit in the world eminate from Tavistock mind control? 16 Nov 2012 23:48 #20

  • StarsChildren
  • StarsChildren's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • El Blanca Loco Uno
  • Posts: 2786
  • Thank you received: 1427
  • Karma: 45
Can someone kindly create a thread specifically on the banker/money side of all this to catch me up in that department?
So far the only thing I recognize is a truck (I loved dearly) and what made one of my coffee makers.
I came into this world kicking and screaming while covered in someone elses blood
and I have no problem with going out the same way :twisted:
You must register to post here.
  • Page:
  • 1
  • 2
Moderators: oioioi, psketti, batou
Time to create page: 0.208 seconds

Latest Members Blogs

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
Prev Next

What is going on when it comes to 9-11 I…

The EPA (environmental protection agency) and OSHA took air samples in the days following September 11th, they reported that they found no excessive levels of asbestos contrary to other findings....

Read more

9-11 Eleven Years Later

9-11 Eleven Years Later

With the anniversary of September 11th literally just around the corner, unanswered questions still remain for families who lost loved ones during the tragic event, as well as from families...

Read more

Strange Noises, Possible Link to Mass An…

Strange Noises, Possible Link to Mass Animal Deaths

In 2008 the U.S. Supreme Court agreed to review a series of lower court rulings that restrict the United States Navy's use of sonar in submarine detection training exercises off...

Read more

Annual Server Target

Whether its 50 cents or five dollars, your donations are appreciated and help keep this community site running so we can all continue to enjoy using it.
This target is to meet our server cost for one year, June 2020 - May 2021, in USD.
$ 340 - Target
( £ 250 GBP )
donation thermometer
donation thermometer
$ 192 - Raised
( £ 140 GBP )
donation thermometer
56%
Most Recent Donation:
$122 USD on 4th Jan 2021
Bitcoin Address: bc1q0kazqya0nurfxtunxv807vm0m8852nnrrk8mj8
 
Ethereum Address: 0xe69915c80dd75df19f438d556267e04f932f057d
 
More Info: Donation options for TZ

No one is obliged to donate, please only donate what you can afford. Even the smallest amount helps. Being an active member is a positive contribution. Thank You.

TradeZone Latest

Visitors

Today7320
Yesterday8190
Week28006
Month52941
Total1151365

Your IP Address: 216.73.216.254 Your Browser and OS: Unknown - Unknown Friday, 28 August 2026 21:20

Who Is Online

Guests : 735 guests online Members : No members online
© 2012 – 2021 Sanctum Zone | All rights reserved. This website is a place for people to express and discuss their views on the news and world events. DISCLAIMER: Please Note: Views expressed and submitted by contributors are their own personal opinions and do not necessarily reflect the views, opinions and beliefs of the Sanctum Zone website and its founder(s) , administrators , moderators , and any other website maintenance technicians, personnel and volunteers. Articles and messages posted on this website and forum are solely the opinion of their authors.

Login or Register

LOG IN

Register

User Registration
or Cancel