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Re: empathy 29 Nov 2012 20:14 #81

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I thought what we were talking about is I said I don't think good or evil as concepts exist.

Now I've been hypothetically raped and burgled, I'm even more convinced really to my original points, my face palm is not some offensive statement towards you it's like why are you bothering talking to me if you obviously disagree, asking me ridiculous questions and telling me all this, I could have heard your opinions on good and evil without this becoming a thread about you?
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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Re: empathy 29 Nov 2012 20:14 #82

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dubmeup wrote:
Every psycho that goes that far or anywhere near it is a sign of the failings of our communities in my book.

This.
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Re: empathy 29 Nov 2012 20:20 #83

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irrepressible wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
edit: Healthy-unhealthy are better terms there are behaviours that are healthy to the organism, mankind/society and behaviours that are unhealthy, if someone is acting unhealthily you use empathy and investigate their symptoms try to treat the causes, if someone is acting "bad" we assume authority tell them off and smack their bum, lock them away etc.

That sounds good on paper.

But what if you arrived home one day and someone was acting "unhealthy" towards your wife or daugher? You find your wife being raped and beaten, what are you going to do? My point is, it's all well and good getting to the bottom of someone's "symptoms" when their behaviour hasn't affected you personally.

"Oh, it seems you've raped and murdered my wife...pray tell what is the problem my friend?". Are you going to call the emergency Unhealthy Behaviour Team?

Maybe I'm not getting it, or getting mixed up :emb: Perhaps I'm unevolved.

It's a nice idea though, not sure if it would work in reality.
What you quoted isn't an idea.
This is two different ways of treating phenomena: if someone is acting unhealthily you use empathy and investigate the symptoms try to treat the causes, if someone is acting "bad" we assume authority tell them off and smack their bum, lock them away etc, empathy does not mean mollycoddling and baking cookies for somebody, it's a realistic method of understanding one's environment., calling something evil mystifies one's immediate environment.
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Re: empathy 29 Nov 2012 20:35 #84

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guevarista wrote:
This is two different ways of treating phenomena: if some one is acting unhealthily you use empathy and investigate the symptoms try to treat the causes, if some one is acting “bad” we assume authority tell them off and smack their bum, lock them away etc, empathy does not mean molly coddling and baking cookies for some body, it’s a realistic method of understanding one’s environment., calling some­thing evil mystifies one’s immediate environment.

It sounds good if it's workable. In my illustrations of scenarios, my "hypothetical bullshit" :D I was merely saying real life deadly situations are too dynamic, too explosive to be able to completely remove those reactions, if you know what I mean. Are people supposed to freeze time until the Unhealthy Behaviour Team arrives? After the fact, perpetrator escaped, etc. it's a different story, but being caught up in those situations, my empathy and understanding lies with the victim. Always with the victim.
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Re: empathy 29 Nov 2012 20:38 #85

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Good OP Dubs..

Before i read thru the last 5 pages I gotta ask if all animals have empathy also?

I would say yes...at least some dogs do i think...
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Re: empathy 29 Nov 2012 20:45 #86

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All is a big word RA ;)

I'd say that there appears to be at least some psycopathic animals so no would be my answer.
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Re: empathy 29 Nov 2012 20:49 #87

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dubmeup wrote:
All is a big word RA ;)

I'd say that there appears to be at least some psycopathic animals so no would be my answer.

Cats...they enjoy slowly murdering their little playthings :chuckle: Oh how we forgive them for it though, forever stroking their soft fur, listening to them purr.
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Re: empathy 29 Nov 2012 21:03 #88

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And if we witness or learn of someone treating a cat like a cat treats its prey, we are baying for blood....
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Re: empathy 29 Nov 2012 21:08 #89

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dubmeup wrote:
And if we witness or learn of someone treating a cat like a cat treats its prey, we are baying for blood....

The whole thing is fubar :chuckle:

Selective empathy?
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Re: empathy 29 Nov 2012 21:10 #90

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irrepressible wrote:
dubmeup wrote:
All is a big word RA ;)

I'd say that there appears to be at least some psycopathic animals so no would be my answer.

Cats...they enjoy slowly murdering their little playthings :chuckle: Oh how we forgive them for it though, forever stroking their soft fur, listening to them purr.

False equivillancy.

Oh and bull fighting, fox hunting, dog fighting, battery farming, bear baiting, wolf hunting from helicopters, etcetera ad nauseum.

And then you have the human on human torture
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Re: empathy 29 Nov 2012 21:13 #91

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What does false equivilancy mean? :emb:
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Re: empathy 29 Nov 2012 21:14 #92

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irrepressible wrote:
Selective empathy?

How about failing empathy. Just like irrationality does not negate rationality, neither does cruelty negate empathy, or alter what it is.
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Re: empathy 29 Nov 2012 21:14 #93

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irrepressible wrote:
What does false equivilancy mean? :emb:

It means apples and oranges.
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Re: empathy 29 Nov 2012 21:14 #94

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This is an interesting thread development.
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Re: empathy 29 Nov 2012 21:15 #95

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What does that mean? :emb: I'm not taking the piss.

"Apples and oranges"
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Re: empathy 29 Nov 2012 21:18 #96

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dubmeup wrote:
This is an interesting thread development.

What? That I've finally ran out of intelligent input? :D

I'm quite tired :chuckle:
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Re: empathy 29 Nov 2012 21:18 #97

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irrepressible wrote:
What does that mean? :emb: I'm not taking the piss.

In this case it means that it is a fallacy to draw parralels between a cat's cruelty to its prey with that of a human's cruelty because of a cat's limited understanding of its prey's suffering.
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Re: empathy 29 Nov 2012 21:20 #98

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irrepressible wrote:
What does that mean? :emb: I'm not taking the piss.

"Apples and oranges"

Just trying to compare 2 things which are essentially not the same.
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Re: empathy 29 Nov 2012 21:23 #99

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irrepressible wrote:
dubmeup wrote:
This is an interesting thread development.

What? That I've finally ran out of intelligent input? :D

I'm quite tired :chuckle:

If you choose to carry on despite the fatigue you are experiencing, you will find you will get a "second wind".

In this way, do muscles grow.
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Re: empathy 29 Nov 2012 21:24 #100

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Sorry if that sounds condescending, I am just talking as a lazy fuck that I am.
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