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Re: Time 24 Dec 2012 20:41 #81

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Can you show me how the big bang theory isn't fatally holed by the notion of a universe with no boundary and no centre point from which it has radiated?

If it's constantly expanding, doesn't that mean that at one point it would have had to start expanding from source?

Thats only if you assume there was a source :D
Our brains can't handle the concept of there always being something in existence, it had to be made or come from something else. :D

If the universe expands, that means that in those quadrants the universe didn't previously exist. So the source would be - the existing universe!

They're just talking about the expansion of matter within the universe.
The universe ofc encompasses more than just matter, it also includes total empty vacuum :D

The way its worded though is that the fabric of the universe itself is expanding and not the matter into the emptiness.
/epic brainfart

LOL!!!

So the universe doesn't expand, just the matter within?

Common sense would tell you that but not scientists, which is probably why dub has such an issue with so many of them :D
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Re: Time 24 Dec 2012 20:52 #82

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Can you show me how the big bang theory isn't fatally holed by the notion of a universe with no boundary and no centre point from which it has radiated?

If it's constantly expanding, doesn't that mean that at one point it would have had to start expanding from source?

Thats only if you assume there was a source :D
Our brains can't handle the concept of there always being something in existence, it had to be made or come from something else. :D

If the universe expands, that means that in those quadrants the universe didn't previously exist. So the source would be - the existing universe!

They're just talking about the expansion of matter within the universe.
The universe ofc encompasses more than just matter, it also includes total empty vacuum :D

The way its worded though is that the fabric of the universe itself is expanding and not the matter into the emptiness.
/epic brainfart

LOL!!!

So the universe doesn't expand, just the matter within?

Common sense would tell you that but not scientists, which is probably why dub has such an issue with so many of them :D


So how can we be certain that the matter-less void is infinite?

:conf:
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Re: Time 24 Dec 2012 21:07 #83

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Isn't a matter less void just a void full of matter we can't perceive...hence the void?
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Re: Time 24 Dec 2012 21:13 #84

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Space Bandit wrote:
andyh wrote:
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Space Bandit wrote:
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Space Bandit wrote:
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Can you show me how the big bang theory isn't fatally holed by the notion of a universe with no boundary and no centre point from which it has radiated?

If it's constantly expanding, doesn't that mean that at one point it would have had to start expanding from source?

Thats only if you assume there was a source :D
Our brains can't handle the concept of there always being something in existence, it had to be made or come from something else. :D

If the universe expands, that means that in those quadrants the universe didn't previously exist. So the source would be - the existing universe!

They're just talking about the expansion of matter within the universe.
The universe ofc encompasses more than just matter, it also includes total empty vacuum :D

The way its worded though is that the fabric of the universe itself is expanding and not the matter into the emptiness.
/epic brainfart

LOL!!!

So the universe doesn't expand, just the matter within?

Common sense would tell you that but not scientists, which is probably why dub has such an issue with so many of them :D


So how can we be certain that the matter-less void is infinite?

:conf:

Would you want to contemplate something beyond? :D
And then what is beyond that?
And what if nothing is beyond that? :D

lol :D
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Re: Time 24 Dec 2012 21:20 #85

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Isn't a matter less void just a void full of matter we can't perceive...hence the void?

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Re: Time 24 Dec 2012 21:23 #86

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dubmeup wrote:
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Isn't a matter less void just a void full of matter we can't perceive...hence the void?

;)

I could never accept that space was nothing yet to get to the moon you have to cross thousands of miles of nothing to get there. If there's nothing between the earth and the moon why is it so fucking far away then?

I failed GCSE physics you'll be unsurprised to learn :chuckle:
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Re: Time 24 Dec 2012 21:34 #87

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Isn't nothing something? Or something and nothing? I'm a simple lad, I just want to enjoy my life, all these questions about time and the universe are scary :fresse:

:D

I don't think there is such a thing as no thing.
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Re: Time 24 Dec 2012 21:42 #88

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I don't think there is such a thing as no thing.

By it's own definition it can't exist because if you can define something it is some thing.
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Re: Time 24 Dec 2012 21:53 #89

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Physicists certainly don't think of space as being 'nothing'. Rather they think of the vast majority of the mass/energy of the universe being in space. The observable bits are like a teeny weeny weeny bit of a percent of the whole. Pretty much insignificant tbh.
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Re: Time 24 Dec 2012 21:59 #90

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Isn't a matter less void just a void full of matter we can't perceive...hence the void?

Ok, so the universe is made of entirely matter? Now isn't matter supposed to be expanding, and thus the universe is expanding?
Or is it only matter we can perceive that is the 'expanding universe', which isn't really an expanding universe?
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Re: Time 24 Dec 2012 21:59 #91

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andyh wrote:
Space Bandit wrote:
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Space Bandit wrote:
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Can you show me how the big bang theory isn't fatally holed by the notion of a universe with no boundary and no centre point from which it has radiated?

If it's constantly expanding, doesn't that mean that at one point it would have had to start expanding from source?

Thats only if you assume there was a source :D
Our brains can't handle the concept of there always being something in existence, it had to be made or come from something else. :D

If the universe expands, that means that in those quadrants the universe didn't previously exist. So the source would be - the existing universe!

They're just talking about the expansion of matter within the universe.
The universe ofc encompasses more than just matter, it also includes total empty vacuum :D

The way its worded though is that the fabric of the universe itself is expanding and not the matter into the emptiness.
/epic brainfart

LOL!!!

So the universe doesn't expand, just the matter within?

Common sense would tell you that but not scientists, which is probably why dub has such an issue with so many of them :D


So how can we be certain that the matter-less void is infinite?

:conf:

Would you want to contemplate something beyond? :D
And then what is beyond that?
And what if nothing is beyond that? :D

lol :D

Well I'd like to know, yeh!
:D
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Re: Time 24 Dec 2012 22:01 #92

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Isn't a matter less void just a void full of matter we can't perceive...hence the void?

Ok, so the universe is made of entirely matter? Now isn't matter supposed to be expanding, and thus the universe is expanding?
Or is it only matter we can perceive that is the 'expanding universe', which isn't really an expanding universe?
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I like the idea of space as 'ether'
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The universe only appears to be expanding when it's actually our perception of our place within it that is shrinking as our knowledge of it expands thus creating the illusion....possibly :P
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The universe only appears to be expanding when it's actually our perception of our place within it that is shrinking as our knowledge of it expands thus creating the illusion....possibly :P

Can I have some of that spliff? :D :spliff:
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The universe only appears to be expanding when it's actually our perception of our place within it that is shrinking as our knowledge of it expands thus creating the illusion....possibly :P

Can I have some of that spliff? :D :spliff:

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andyh wrote:
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The universe only appears to be expanding when it's actually our perception of our place within it that is shrinking as our knowledge of it expands thus creating the illusion....possibly :P

Can I have some of that spliff? :D :spliff:

Moi?

:chuckle:

And a splash of raki.

Help yourself.

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am having a weedless xmas.
Pah!
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No doubt this will now in actuality mean I've got more weed than ever, due to the universe just being an experiment in a test tube, which is in a dream.
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Space Bandit wrote:
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The universe only appears to be expanding when it's actually our perception of our place within it that is shrinking as our knowledge of it expands thus creating the illusion....possibly :P

Can I have some of that spliff? :D :spliff:

am having a weedless xmas.
Pah!
:nilly:

Who's been a naughty boy then?

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Space Bandit wrote:
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am having a weedless xmas.
Pah!
:nilly:

No doubt this will now in actuality mean I've got more weed than ever, due to the universe just being an experiment in a test tube, which is in a dream.

You just think you're weedless. Bound to be a bit down the sofa.

:chuckle:

Sorry mate, I shouldn't, so inevitably I will.
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am having a weedless xmas.
Pah!
:nilly:

No doubt this will now in actuality mean I've got more weed than ever, due to the universe just being an experiment in a test tube, which is in a dream.



You just think you're weedless. Bound to be a bit down the sofa.

:chuckle:

Sorry mate, I shouldn't, so inevitably I will.

Grrr.
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