Yes App, I agree. The use of already locally existing mechanical energy, be it wind, water or whatever is vastly preferable, as is solar as you point out. We can freely take what we need with minimal fuss and very little effect on the sources.
And then there's the controversial topic of ZPE. As I understand it, current laws of physics say it's impossble to harness it. The field is already at the minimum state of energy and therefore you can't extract any energy from it. However, this argument relies on such things as the renormalisation of nasty infinity. Rendering the energy of the vacuum finite. Whereas in truth that renormalisation is only done as a mathematical convenience. There is high probability that the vacuum has infinite energy potential and therefore can be tapped into.

The current model which as you say relies on fossil fuels and fission and involves first material being mined, then transported, then having the energy released, then converted, then sent vast distances down inefficient cables is just daft.

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Reading that reminded me of David Bohm.

We are surrounded by energy but, like you pointed out, harnessing that power is beyond our means.


Oh, not heard the new Muse album. After reading this thread I shall listen with interest.

As much as they are labelled cranks or disinfo, I am intrigued by the works of Harramein and Rodin, Hugo....

For all the detractors, I am yet to see anyone show a single hole in Harramein's theories on the geometric structure of the vacuum. Nor his scaling law, nor his paper on the Schwartzchild proton etc etc. The detractors just chuck petty little stones at him like "ooo he got funding so he must be disinfo".

IF those two's (and others) work is sound, the time when we can tap direct into the ZPF may not be too far distant.

There were once 16 watermills on a mile and a half of the river here, all producing many different products for local goods. The watermill trust fairly recently brought a local mill back to life, spending around a 100 grand, then along comes Mr. NRA with a 50 grand a year water bill to through put the water. I say we are being prevented from breaking away from any rhythm that is free.

Recent HETAS regulations now stipulate that to fit a multi tuel stove to a rented property, one must have a registered installer do the work, fitting DEFRA spec stoves, yet another law to prevent anyone on a budget trying to save money.

Things where any alternative showing a viable saving will be further jumped upon until there is very little space to try making ends meet, even logs are being looked upon as a taxable energy, not kidding you.

That info about the water mill is just
I can sort of get that a burner, fitted by an incompetent, could be a very very bad thing but again, that info is just

I'd say we can view regulations like that as being in cohort with the Codex Alimentarius shite that is jumping all over growers in the USA and isn't too far behind in the EU.

Let's just say that despite huge potential for us to sort ourselves out, tptb aren't exactly in favour...