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Re: Why are the abrahamic religions so sexist? 29 Dec 2012 13:09 #21

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Old books mean old fashioned world view. If you wrote a bible now imagine how different it would be. You might even allow gay people these days.
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Re: Why are the abrahamic religions so sexist? 29 Dec 2012 13:17 #22

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I've thought about that before... what if the bible was being written today and who would be the prophets. One of them I think would be Martin Luther King.

Back to what I was saying before, to clarify, Adam and Eve felt no shame until the agreement was made with the serpent. Think about it.
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Re: Why are the abrahamic religions so sexist? 29 Dec 2012 13:50 #23

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noseymutegirl wrote:
That is not what I am talking about. Guilt is a man made construct, most likely.

Yep.

And doesn't organised religion just do guilt best eh... ;)
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Re: Why are the abrahamic religions so sexist? 29 Dec 2012 13:59 #24

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diamondgeezer wrote:
noseymutegirl wrote:
That is not what I am talking about. Guilt is a man made construct, most likely.

Yep.

And doesn't organised religion just do guilt best eh... ;)

I was just gonna post (for arguments sake): "And man is a God made construct"
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Re: Why are the abrahamic religions so sexist? 29 Dec 2012 14:05 #25

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I never listen to anyone but myself when it comes to God. I think the answer is within us. :scotty:
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Re: Why are the abrahamic religions so sexist? 29 Dec 2012 14:09 #26

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noseymutegirl wrote:
I never listen to anyone but myself when it comes to God. I think the answer is within us. :scotty:

As are guilt and God.
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Re: Why are the abrahamic religions so sexist? 29 Dec 2012 14:12 #27

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To quote a rather nice man: ""The God that you do not believe in, does not exist."
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Re: Why are the abrahamic religions so sexist? 29 Dec 2012 14:12 #28

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I don't have any guilt in me.

Never underestimate the power of a clear conscience.
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Re: Why are the abrahamic religions so sexist? 29 Dec 2012 14:16 #29

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noseymutegirl wrote:
I don't have any guilt in me.

Never underestimate the power of a clear conscience.

If the creator of guilt's creator is within you then surely at least you contain the blueprint of guilt.
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Re: Why are the abrahamic religions so sexist? 29 Dec 2012 14:19 #30

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Well yes, if you weren't able to experience guilt, you couldn't really have a conscience and would be a sociopath - but it's a gift to reject hanging on to guilt & torturing yourself with it I suppose. And not accepting guilt that other people try to unjustly hang on you. Folk are always doing that!
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Re: Why are the abrahamic religions so sexist? 29 Dec 2012 14:26 #31

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I contain the blueprint for a lot of stuff, yes. Corrupted DNA = guilt and includes the abilities of sociopathy as Gilly has pointed out. I think there was a time before our DNA was corrupted and certain things, like hurting another person would never even cross a persons mind.
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Re: Why are the abrahamic religions so sexist? 29 Dec 2012 14:37 #32

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noseymutegirl wrote:
I contain the blueprint for a lot of stuff, yes. Corrupted DNA = guilt and includes the abilities of sociopathy as Gilly has pointed out. I think there was a time before our DNA was corrupted and certain things, like hurting another person would never even cross a persons mind.

I'm not that convinced that DNA has much of a part to play at all.

If you watch ZMF and listen to the experts discussing nature vs nurture you'll see that its very well known that if someone is abused in childhood then they become abusers themselves later on.
Psyco's/sociopaths can be created with or without any genetic indicators if they have the 'right' (meaning wrong lol) upbringing.

Human beings are very much moulded by their environment, you can take a baby from any other culture and bring it up in another and it'll become perfectly adjusted. You cannot do the same thing with an adult because the brain is 'set' in early childhood and is then used to its environment.

I personally believe that our DNA remains untouched, we would simply have to bring up a generation of kids differently is all.
You need only look at how quickly kids adapt to modern technology and how us older ones struggle with adapting to the pace of change.

If kids grew up in a resource based economy like TVP then they would be used to that and view our current economy as being completely bizarre and stupid :)

The same applies to religious beliefs, cultural influence etc etc.
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Re: Why are the abrahamic religions so sexist? 29 Dec 2012 14:40 #33

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noseymutegirl wrote:
I contain the blueprint for a lot of stuff, yes. Corrupted DNA = guilt and includes the abilities of sociopathy as Gilly has pointed out. I think there was a time before our DNA was corrupted and certain things, like hurting another person would never even cross a persons mind.

I don't agree with the bolded bit at all.
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Re: Why are the abrahamic religions so sexist? 29 Dec 2012 14:44 #34

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Can you tell me why? Because I can tell you exactly why I think the way I do.
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Re: Why are the abrahamic religions so sexist? 29 Dec 2012 14:45 #35

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andy, have you heard about twins who were separated at birth?
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Re: Why are the abrahamic religions so sexist? 29 Dec 2012 14:49 #36

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Oh no you don't!

I'm not even gonna start walking down the "defective genes=evil" path!*



*Well, not today at least :)
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Re: Why are the abrahamic religions so sexist? 29 Dec 2012 14:51 #37

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Hey I think genetics is so very complicated, but we can choose which genes we activitate and strengthen. Mind over matter.
Or, should I say the mind and body work together.
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Re: Why are the abrahamic religions so sexist? 29 Dec 2012 15:07 #38

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mikey mikey wrote:
To quote a rather nice man: ""The God that you do not believe in, does not exist."

Try explaining that to the parents of a kid who died young and never got the chance learn about God or religion.

You can't believe in something that you never heard about to begin with.
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Re: Why are the abrahamic religions so sexist? 29 Dec 2012 15:09 #39

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noseymutegirl wrote:
andy, have you heard about twins who were separated at birth?

Depends which area of it you're interested in specifically and just how separated they were exactly.

eg were they separated but in the same country?
were they in different countries but with the same societal paradigms? - eg UK and New Zealand are on opposite sides of the globe but the society is very similar as is Ireland and the UK, even Canada has quite a few similarities to the UK but Yemen or Somalia would be radically different to the UK.
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Re: Why are the abrahamic religions so sexist? 29 Dec 2012 15:19 #40

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www.illiteratewithdrawal.com/2008/02/nat...urture-twin-studies/

Nature vs. nurture: Identical Twins Raised Apart
Here are some pretty incredible stories that I found in my clinical psychiatry book:

1) Jim L. and Jim S. were first reunited at age 39. They were genetically identical twins, reared apart since infancy by different adoptive families in Ohio and unaware of each other’s existence. As children, each twin had had a dog named Toy. Each bit his fingernails and, since age 18, had suffered from mixed headache syndrome, a combined tension and migraine headache. Each had been married twice, first to a Linda and then to a Betty. One twin had named his son James Alan, and the other, James Allen. Each had put a circular bench around a tree in his garden. Each had worked at a gas station and later part-time in law enforcement as a sheriff. Each chain-smoked Salems and preferred an occasional Miller Lite beer. Each scattered love notes to his wife around the house. Every summer, unbeknownst to the other, each had driven his family in a light blue Chevrolet from Ohio to the Pas-Grille Beach in St. Petersburg, Florida, for their summer vacation. They had similar voices, hand gestures, and mannerisms

2) Jerry L. and Mark N., identical twins separated in infancy, were first reunited at age 30. Each was nearly bald and had a bushy mustache. Each was a volunteer firefighter and made his living installing safety equipment. Each wore aviator glasses, big belt buckles, and big key rings. Each drank Budweiser with his pinky hooked on the bottom of the can and crushed the can when he finished.

3) Jack Y. and Oskar S., identical twins born in Trinidad in 1933 and separated in infancy by their parents’ divorce, were first reunited at age 46. Oskar was raised by his Catholic mother and grandmother in Nazi-occupied Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia. Jack was raised by his Orthodox Jewish father in Trinidad and spent time on an Israeli kibbutz. Each wore aviator glasses and a blue sport shirt with shoulder plackets, had a trim mustache, liked sweet liqueurs, stored rubber bands on his wrists, read books and magazines from back to front, dipped buttered toast in his coffee, flushed the toilet before and after using it, enjoyed sneezing loudly in crowded elevators to frighten other passengers, and routinely fell asleep at night while watching television. Each was impatient, squeamish about germs, and gregarious.

4) Bessie and Jessie, identical twins separated at 8 months of age after their mother’s death, were first reunited at age 18. Each had had a bout of tuberculosis, and they had similar voices, energy levels, administrative talents, and decision-making styles. Each had had her hair cut short in early adolescence. Jessie had a college-level education, while Bessie had had only 4 years of formal education; yet Bessie scored 156 on intelligence quotient testing, while Jessie scored 153. Each read avidly, which may have compensated for Bessie’s sparse education; she created an environment compatible with her inherited potential.
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