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So what's so bad about the EU? 25 Jan 2013 23:13 #1

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The only bad thing i know about the EU is that half of the money payed in by the majority of people goes to a small amount of millionaire/billionaire farmers,Royals,mp's (such as UKIP's Stuart Agnew) and multi national companies such as Cadbury's.

What else is bad or unfair about the EU?

I suppose 50% of the budget is an improvement from 87% of the budget in 1970 lol.

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So what's so bad about the EU? 25 Jan 2013 23:24 #2

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:roll: Where does one start....


Thirty Facts You Should Know About The EU (taken from the book 'England Our England' by Vernon Coleman)


1. The phrase European Economic Community was invented by Nazi Hermann Goerring. The phrase United States of Europe was invented by Adolf Hitler. (page 122).

2. Not one citizen in any of the 15 nations in the E.U. has ever been asked if they wanted to join the E.U. (page 15).

3. Every English taxpayer pays £450 a year for membership of the E.U. For every £1 England receives from the E.U. the English taxpayer must hand over £4.15 to the E.U. (page 19).

4. Joining the euro will cost every Englishman, Englishwoman and English child £650 in hard cash. (page 25)

5. Corrupt E.U. staff are immune from prosecution. (page 27)

6. Fraud costs the E.U. between £4 and £8 billion a year. (page 28).

7. The E.U. is planning a chemical testing programme which will involve pointlessly torturing and killing 50 million animals. The programme will be partly paid for with money contributed by English taxpayers. (page 28)

8. More than half of the world's most useful inventions since 1945 were made by Englishmen and Englishwomen. (page 29)

9. The European Union will shortly ban the sale of effective vitamin therapies (much to the delight and profit of large drug companies). (page 32)

10. The E.U. now takes precedence over the Queen of England and the Government is rewriting oaths of allegiance. Policemen, members of the armed forces and civil servants will swear oaths of allegiance to the E.U. (page 33)

11. The E.U. wants to ban political parties which disapprove of the E.U. (page 33)

12. The Labour Government is trying to abolish trial by jury in England. They are doing this because the E.U. has told them they must. (page 35)

13. Members of Europol (Europe's new official police force) are armed and `immune from the law'. (page 35)

14. The E.U. spends £600 million a year telling English university students the value of England being part of the E.U. (page 36)

15. The E.U. banned firemen's' poles in English fire stations because bureaucrats in Brussels were worried that firemen might hurt themselves. The bureaucrats also felt that the poles might pose a hazard to blind and disabled firemen. (page 39)

16. The Labour Government's Regional Assemblies will mean the end of England. (page 39)

17. As a result of E.U. policies the average English family has to pay an extra £1,000 a year on food. (page 47)

18. The E.U. keeps files on people who might one day be suspected of doing something contrary to E.U. law. The E.U. keeps at least 56 different types of information about each suspect (including racial origins, religion and political affiliations). If you're reading this the chances are that Big Brother is watching you. (Page 47)

19. England has over £600 billion invested in pension savings - and has unfunded pension liabilities of £4,000 per head. But if England joins the euro English pension debts will rise to £30,000 a head. If we join the E.U. our pension savings will be handed over to the E.U. and shared out among E.U. countries whose citizens have not saved enough. England will have to take on part of the E.U.'s £1,200 billion pension debt. Your pension will be in peril. (Page 49)

20. England's oil reserves are worth over £250 billion. The E.U. now regards those reserves as a `shared E.U. resource'. (page 50)

21. The Government has handed England's £32 billion worth of gold and dollar reserves over to the E.U. (page 52)

22. The number of laws created by the E.U.'s bureaucrats in Brussels far exceeds the number of laws passed by England's parliament in its first 700 years. (page 64)

23. Duty free sales were abolished to make the E.U. look like one big country. (page 65).

24. The European Court of Justice now has the authority to overturn laws made by the English parliament, and verdicts delivered by English courts. European courts and laws now take precedence over English courts and laws. (page 73)

25. If the E.U. has its way (and it will) the England cricket, football and rugby teams will disappear. (page 82)

26. The European Commission President wants to create an inner core of `fewer than 10' unelected, unaccountable vice presidents who will run the new Eurostate. (page 87)

27. The E.U. spends over £1 billion a year supporting the production of poor quality tobacco - which is too poisonous for sale in the E.U. but which must be `dumped' on undeveloped countries. Many Greek, Spanish and French farmers exist on these tobacco grants. (page 88)

28. The new E.U. army of 60,000 soldiers will soon replace the English army. The English army (and its traditions) will disappear. (page 97)

29. Every new E.U. law, directive and regulation must be translated into each of 11 official E.U. languages. By the year 2004 the E.U. will have 21 official languages and the E.U. will have to find tens of thousands of skilled and honest interpreters able to translate Estonian into Polish, Czech into Maltese, Dutch into Hungarian etc etc. There will be 420 possible interpreting combinations. The E.U. will become even more unwieldy than it already is. (page 121)

30. It will soon be illegal for England to withdraw from the E.U. If we join the euro it will be impossible to leave.

^ Coleman wrote that book 10 years ago, not wrong was he...
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So what's so bad about the EU? 25 Jan 2013 23:43 #3

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So what's so bad about the EU? 25 Jan 2013 23:44 #4

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I'm all for it.

The more out of touch people feel with their government the sooner they will realise how out of touch their 'governors' are with them.
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So what's so bad about the EU? 26 Jan 2013 00:13 #5

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& what has the result been in Greece oi? Economic chaos and the rise of Golden Dawn.

Exactly going to plan isn't it....
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So what's so bad about the EU? 26 Jan 2013 00:17 #6

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So what's so bad about the EU? 26 Jan 2013 00:30 #7

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oioioi wrote:
I'm all for it.

The more out of touch people feel with their government the sooner they will realise how out of touch their 'governors' are with them.

Remember who always funds both sides, of a sollution brewing, they are rubbing their hands as we speak, and planning to doubley endebt the planet for the next 500 years, paying off those debts with our grandfathers great grandchildrens souls.

Attempting fate in this way is foolish, playing right into their hands, as I always say, starve the beast, do not feed them.

Those failing to prepare are prepairing to fail, on ones own you can only last for so long.
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So what's so bad about the EU? 26 Jan 2013 00:58 #8

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diamondgeezer wrote:
& what has the result been in Greece oi? Economic chaos and the rise of Golden Dawn.

Exactly going to plan isn't it....

Depends whose plan we're discussing.

The MSM is reporting the 'rise' of Golden Dawn, it isn't reporting the autonomous actions of the 'left' and the numbers involved. On the streets etc. the numbers here aren't quite how they may be being portrayed elsewhere.
And it's not my rose tinted glasses, it's overwhelmingly obvious to any casual, unbiased observer.

In a country that isn't historically reknowned for turning to the state guess what kind of support networks are developing?

Guess who is milking them and airing the milking?

Do you think anarchism is a fringe movement here and Golden Dawn represents a greater proportion of the populous?

:rofl:

I'm not here to avoid the flak.

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So what's so bad about the EU? 26 Jan 2013 09:04 #9

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I don't doubt what you are saying there re the numbers oi, but the fact is (as history proves and we're now seeing it repeat itself aren't we?), that if you crush a people economically and attempt to remove their national identity, then the far right will rear its ugly head.

& the people behind the EU know this, they want it to happen and are deliberately engineering the situation.

Reason? Problem - reaction - solution... ;)
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So what's so bad about the EU? 26 Jan 2013 09:26 #10

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diamondgeezer wrote:
I don't doubt what you are saying there re the numbers oi, but the fact is (as history proves and we're now seeing it repeat itself aren't we?), that if you crush a people economically and attempt to remove their national identity, then the far right will rear its ugly head.

& the people behind the EU know this, they want it to happen and are deliberately engineering the situation.

Reason? Problem - reaction - solution... ;)

I bare my former post back, No.7. There can only ever be one winner, and many loosers in this kind of fight. Its best make it yourself, run your own system, if others did the same, the overall control is then watered down, the salt water in the blood of any nation is less salty and more drinkable.
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So what's so bad about the EU? 26 Jan 2013 09:46 #11

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Agreed App, but its hard to run your own system living in a city.

& its becoming increasingly difficult to get out....also intentional no doubt..
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So what's so bad about the EU? 26 Jan 2013 10:11 #12

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Agreed App, but its hard to run your own system living in a city.

& its becoming increasingly difficult to get out....also intentional no doubt..

I don't think it matters where one lives to be honest, in a city your in a closer proximity to more knowledge PHP. Here in the sticks there are far few craftsmen and getting the specialist knowledge means greater travelling distances.

There used to be a place in Hampshire called Yaldhurst, where two old girls ran a crafty place, and sold the lodgers wares as well as their own on many markets in London. This is how one can make a good living, if you have the venue and the skills.

A commune is a similar thing, but most are devoid of skills, with a few having many skills, I have seen great people, with money and great ideas, fail miserably because they had no skills and when the money ran out they ceased to exist.

Put ones self in a position of isolation, behind a six foot fence with no money or skills and I'm sure you get the picture of soneone dressed in combats holding an AK 47.

What does the advert/job description say, No experience neccessary, full training and wages provided, and if one survives to spend your bounty, you will give the employers all their money back before you die.

My system is far better believe me.
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So what's so bad about the EU? 26 Jan 2013 10:33 #13

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I don't think it matters where one lives to be honest, in a city your in a closer proximity to more knowledge PHP. Here in the sticks there are far few craftsmen and getting the specialist knowledge means greater travelling distances.

It does matter where one lives imo....knowledge is all well and good, but if (when) TSHTF it won't put food on the table.

You can't be self-sufficient in a city - its impossible - by design, you are reliant on the infrastructure of it. Living 'off the grid' is literally impossible.
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So what's so bad about the EU? 26 Jan 2013 10:38 #14

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There was a doomsday preppers series on a while back. Some of the people featured were in cities and they had come up with some impressive solutions. I don't think nyone can be prepared though unless you're living like that already.

If you've got a birth certificate, you'll never be off the grid.
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So what's so bad about the EU? 26 Jan 2013 11:28 #15

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diamondgeezer wrote:
I don't think it matters where one lives to be honest, in a city your in a closer proximity to more knowledge PHP. Here in the sticks there are far few craftsmen and getting the specialist knowledge means greater travelling distances.

It does matter where one lives imo....knowledge is all well and good, but if (when) TSHTF it won't put food on the table.

You can't be self-sufficient in a city - its impossible - by design, you are reliant on the infrastructure of it. Living 'off the grid' is literally impossible.

It can be done, my Grandfather on the run lived for the last 18 months in a war torn city during the last world war. If things turned propper fury, then one will find out just how adaptive people can be, a picture on East Berlin flashes through the minds eye.

Preparing and locking yourself away is not the best way to do things, this is what prepper the world over are thinking and doing.

The way is to get as many different skills and do as much for yourself as possible, its a system within a system, not to bar Tom, Dick or Harry, but to make use of as many different brains with alternative skills and ideas as possible, to complement each avenue in hand or in house as Yaldhurst'ers.
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So what's so bad about the EU? 26 Jan 2013 11:48 #16

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The future is basically set now, I fail to see what can be done about it at this point.

I personally see little difference in so called self determination and sovereignty for the UK than if it was in the EU because the people don't want direct democracy. The Swiss are a people who are made for that kind of thing, they have the right mindset and attitude, the rest of the countries of the EU don't tbh. They don't want responsibility, they want nanny state, so I fail to see the difference or why it matters a damn in the long run.

The only plus i can think of is that if the UK was out then they could avoid the upcoming conscription into the largest land army the world has ever seen for what is obviously moves toward global domination for our corporate overlords.

The lesson people have to learn is to actually want LESS govt.
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So what's so bad about the EU? 26 Jan 2013 12:40 #17

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Simple but true, to many fucking Europeans ;) Garlic munching ,saurkraut scoffing, ouzo swilling, bull fighting, pizza making , chocolat waffle covering bunch of fuckers :coffee:

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So what's so bad about the EU? 26 Jan 2013 13:04 #18

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Simple but true, to many fucking Europeans ;) Garlic munching ,saurkraut scoffing, ouzo swilling, bull fighting, pizza making , chocolat waffle covering bunch of fuckers :coffee:

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And that's exactly how we like it, individualism...national traits ;)

Or would you rather go abroad on your holidays and find just a slightly warmer but otherwise identical version of the bland homogenised place you just flew out of?

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So what's so bad about the EU? 26 Jan 2013 17:16 #19

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diamondgeezer wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Simple but true, to many fucking Europeans ;) Garlic munching ,saurkraut scoffing, ouzo swilling, bull fighting, pizza making , chocolat waffle covering bunch of fuckers :coffee:

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And that's exactly how we like it, individualism...national traits ;)

Or would you rather go abroad on your holidays and find just a slightly warmer but otherwise identical version of the bland homogenised place you just flew out of?

:roll:

Costa del brits, lol :D
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So what's so bad about the EU? 26 Jan 2013 17:25 #20

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andyh wrote:
The only plus i can think of is that if the UK was out then they could avoid the upcoming conscription into the largest land army the world has ever seen for what is obviously moves toward global domination for our corporate overlords.

Well spotted that man...you sure you're not a government stooge? :bat:

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