I think what App meant by communist was perhaps just authoritarian?

What I've always tried to point out is that this is what both the left and the right have in common, do as you're told or else.

The Apprentice wrote:
That sounds suspiciously like the sort of thing communism was originally supposed to be about. Are you sure you're not a closet red?

dogsmilk wrote:
Nah DM, that's the Greens, they are the only ones that hide behind a green banner excepting hand out's and yet are too yellow to admit they are really reds.

You should know me by now, self pelfing doeist, who has an ability to look after himself and others that ask for it. Not someone with an ideal who writes for a living, but uses true life skills to see his thoughts materialised before his own eyes.

Marx was incapable of doing anything, but thought did.

That is the difference, my wares are to be used not looked at, but some have said they are forms of art, but that's not for me to say.

In time you will learn that you may have to put the shoulder to the wheel of your own making, and be able to fix it to get where your going.

andyh wrote:
Good answer H.

If I never break any rules of my own or others making, then others will never know the value that another alternative system brings, until they try doing the same for themseves. This the governers will never know, never having been sacked or made redundant or had to strugle.

My mind is continually being made up by the mistakes I make along the way, not by others mistakes for following words by a faction that think we owe them a living for doing our thinking.

The Apprentice wrote:
I admire and agree with your philosophy of learning to do stuff and also agree it's important and possibly a future necessity. My solitary issue with it is, well, that this is a pretty accurate portrayal of my own DIY skills. It's a shame you don't both live round the corner and have the patience in teaching as ten saints.



Marx neither invented communism nor defined it. He's one man in a long continuum and whose ideas have been appropriated and twisted nearly as much as Jesus'. And whose ideas are probably more relevant now than they were back then. I'd agree Marx probably couldn't do much practical stuff. But he was a very, very clever guy. We can't all be the same or good at the same things. Enjoy.

For things, people and the immediate enviornment to prosper, there needs to be a balanced reading, writing and doing/making. Today bares the fruits of a steered a populous towards, segregation, group thinking of many tanks, just imagine how much would get done, if half of those doing the thinking, were doing instead. They would be protecting and supporting their whole by themselves.

This creates a larger and larger den of theives who becon the doing of the remaining in house makers of things, this is one of the problems, until everyone is talking and doing nothing.

A saying I use quite regulary, that my peers taught me is,

Making or expecting someone else to work for nothing, And giving someone or others the lions share for doing nothing does not work. Until we see this statement at in the mirror values, nothing is going to change, we will continue to steal and kill, become lazy.

Each and everyone is and has taken part in this model, myself included, I recognised something needed to be done and is why we do what we do, no medals, just doing as much as we can to ease our own journey through, what is a wilderness of minds wondering, in our own shoes, not those made in the eyes of childerick.

The Apprentice wrote:
I think it's not so much about people doing the thinking - I think thinking can be important and I also think that thinking can constitute doing. The wheel would never had been invented without somebody thinking about it first. But so much of what is done is bullshit. Like advertising executives - what are they for? Unfortunately, many people are forced into spending their lives engaged in bullshit to make ends meet.

I also think it would be better if everyone worked for nothing. Or rather we weren't so indoctrinated into ascribing a value to what we do and measuring it against other people. It's like when people call for a 'return to barter' - you don't 'return' to barter, barter is something people used to money do in the absence of money. We're forced to ascribe value to what we do in order to survive because that's the way the game is rigged.

dogsmilk wrote:
Good post. It'd be nice for people to be able to do stuff for the pure enjoyment of it.
We would still see people doing various things and keeping the world turning so to speak because not everyone likes to do the same thing, nor for that matter would they want to sit idle if they could instead partake in work they truly enjoy instead of it just being to make a living.
People would probably want to do many different things rather than just 1 skill imho.
Corruption and the profit motive would be gone, everyones contribution would be for the love of doing.

All thats evolutionary though and will take a long time to come about even with the tech advance we have now with the internet and all sorts of other goodies, it'll take much longer yet for people to eventually come to this realisation with the 100th monkey so to speak.

In the meantime while we're waiting we'll just have to be happy with trying to be as self reliant as poss.

The game is rigged but we have unrigged it in many ways, by being able of seeing it then moving a few goal posts, so as to avoid working for someone else for nothing in order of surviving. We do work for nothing but only for ourselves outside of the profiteers reach, it is self barter without monetary gain, still fully legal using ones own hand to eye coordination as currency and very fulfilling it has been so far. If anyone is thinking of doing similar, we advise them to do it slowly, like a diet, so the weight of it does'nt become a burden.

The reality of this model is already here. Its like a smaller farm, man and oxen ploughing away in a field in Cuba, while the larger farm next door uses a Zetor tractor, and on the plains of the USA a fleet of combines chews their way across his field. The two sides of the coin have always existed, in the mid 1700's explorers used technology to travel half way round the globe, to discover native Aboriginals using stone tools, that were inferior to those used by their forefathers some 4000 years earlier.

If you are doing it already then you will understand, done it you will know, that there is another world all around us.

humanspirit wrote:
i'm not even gonna read through the other replies first... it is bad because it is a method/system of contorl (same as the rest of the currencies)... get ppl wanting it, get ppl obsessed with it n they forget what is really important. convince ppl they need it to trade for items to live on n u create a few areas of division (rich n in control, think their happy n pretend to go along w it, know damn well their not happy cuz they dont meet societies standards).
that and its falling flat on its ass or so i hear
thats just my 2 cents added to the mixture anyway

Don't you find it strange that ukip are sucking off the tit they claim they are against?

Ukip are some weird kind of countryside communists who want the tax payer to fund their lifestyle.

from ukip website

For too long, the EU and the UK’s major
political parties have ridden roughshod
over the concerns of farmers and rural
people. UKIP will implement policies to
ease key worries, breathe new life into the
rural economy and enhance the
countryside. UKIP will:
· Withdraw from the EU and retain
Britain’s seat at the World Trade
Organisation so the UK can pursue
agricultural trade policies that are directly
in the national interest
· Ensure there is no sudden loss of
Common Agricultural Policy farming
subsidies such as single farm payments
(already paid for by
British consumers and taxpayers).

humanspirit wrote:
lol

Well if they're out of the EU then I guess there'd still have to be taxation for it aye.

We are getting desperate when the remaining musketeer is seemingly offering what the others are not, here is a pied piper sounding off with great voice, the music is loud and most are tuning in, as they are doing that, if they cared to look behind them the entrance in the solid rock is beginning to close.

Their labours will shortly be owned and there would be no HiHo all the way home, until they have worked out how to dig their way out of there, nearly always at great cost to several generations afterwards.

However, if the budding cock robin said, zero percent upon your labour/loans, a national rebuilding program, the national treasures, like coal and oil were once again owned by the people, it might start getting some coal up, instead of singing in the vallies.

These talks are always in reverse, never going forward because everyone is standing still talking about what others are doing yet doing little for themselves or with anyone else, lol, the ideas have all been covered, next step is to bring those actions onwards.

I say lets have some incentives to share our ideas in view, instead of chat rooms, which should have been from the very beginning, pictures paint a thousands of words, showing your faces is one thing, what about showing what your hands are doing, lol.

Otherwise the data miners will only be able to read our minds, where as they could see what good people are capable of, themselves likewise.

Less talking, more seeing in house, if not it prooves nothing is happening.

conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/...rship-of-the-eu.html

Welcome

Scottish Independence all the way

You know 'we' as a 'nation' have never fully gone into the EU basket as 'we still have sterling

This country is still in a strong position but with very weak politicians

dawnbreak wrote:
Slight correction if I may, we don't have Sterling any more, in name only, we the peoples purse left Sterling when we decimalised, we lost 144 points over night, the COL was the only place that remained unchanged.

Cromwel was the one who brought the banks position into line in 1649 with the creation of the Comonwealth, and good old Scott Patterson the banker, our or should I say their BOE shortly afterwards, the Clearances, the cleansing of the true largely cashless independants, and rest is your history DB, your countrymen are at another clearence type auction ws we speak

And a gateway to the cheap labour was when we signed up Hong Kong, the Earlier European Jackal Island moment.

Its all about tricking the populous with parting with their lands, hands and labour for Money, the ones who can retain most of those attributes will be the ones who will gain what they need.