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'Ringed crucifix' 28 Jan 2013 20:30 #1

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Can anyone shed any light on this?
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The picture is of the "Vicar of Baghdad" at an Anglican church in Iraq, but what's with that particular cross? Never seen it displayed as such before and it puts me in mind of a certain other cross!
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'Ringed crucifix' 28 Jan 2013 20:34 #2

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I think the 'ring' is supposed to represent the crown of thorns which they put on Jesus's head when they crucified him.
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'Ringed crucifix' 28 Jan 2013 20:35 #3

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someones idea of hanging the crown of thorns on it? it looks like the typical depiction of the crown, jagged edged and such.
but could just be a templar cross, celtic cross, or modern depiction of the ankh coming out some more in modern christain worship.
could be both though too...one person disguising something else in what people may take as innocent.
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'Ringed crucifix' 28 Jan 2013 20:36 #4

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What DG said, ^^ although it could have a deeper significance that they don't really talk about.

The crown of thorns is pretty central to the whole Jesus story though.
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'Ringed crucifix' 28 Jan 2013 20:45 #5

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Kinell, give me some credit! :shlap:
I got what the circle is, just never seen it positioned as such and found it 'odd', particularly considering where (in the world) it is.
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'Ringed crucifix' 28 Jan 2013 20:48 #6

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oioioi wrote:
Kinell, give me some credit! :shlap:

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'Ringed crucifix' 28 Jan 2013 20:53 #7

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I'd say that where in the world it is makes it less odd actually, ie displaying a figure of Jesus himself might not go down too well in a muslim country (even in a 'christian' church).

To portray the prophet Mohammed in any way whatsoever is a big no-no punishable by death in the Islamic world, and really who was Jesus.... ;)
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'Ringed crucifix' 28 Jan 2013 20:58 #8

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Christian symbolism
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Following Genesis 3:18—"thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee..." (KJV)—thorns were seen by Christian writers as emblems of the Fall of Man.

In Genesis 22, God asks Abraham to sacrifice his only son, Isaac. On the journey to Moriah, Isaac becomes curious (or even nervous) that they have brought everything necessary for the sacrifice except the offering itself. Verses 7–8 (NAB) state:

As the two walked on together, Isaac spoke to his father Abraham. "Father!" he said. "Yes, son," he replied. Isaac continued, "Here are the fire and the wood, but where is the sheep for the burnt offering?" "Son," Abraham answered, "God himself will provide the sheep for the burnt offering." Then the two continued going forward.

As Abraham is about to deliver the fatal stroke with his knife, his hand is stayed by an angel. Abraham then looks for a suitable replacement for the sacrifice. Genesis 22:13 (NAB) states:

As Abraham looked about, he spied a ram caught by its horns in the thicket. So he went and took the ram and offered it up as a burnt offering in place of his son.

In Old Testament times, horns were considered a sign of power or authority. The symbol of 'sheep', in general, was used for humanity. The sheep in question here is mentioned specifically as a "ram" (male) versus a "ewe" (female). The "ram" thus serves as a foreshadowing of Jesus Christ. He (the Messianic God-Man) is the male leader over every nation, serving as the only suitable replacement sacrifice to God in the place of all humanity, which had been sentenced to eternal death for their disobedience in the Garden of Eden [Genesis 2:16–17 (NAB) & Genesis 3:2–3,19 (NAB)]. Of note here is that the "ram" is caught about the "horns" (head) "in a thicket" (bushes or branches) prior to its being sacrificed, thus foreshadowing the crown of thorns.

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Just speculating I suppose...
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'Ringed crucifix' 28 Jan 2013 21:01 #9

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diamondgeezer wrote:
I'd say that where in the world it is makes it less odd actually, ie displaying a figure of Jesus himself might not go down too well in a muslim country (even in a 'christian' church).

To portray the prophet Mohammed in any way whatsoever is a big no-no punishable by death in the Islamic world, and really who was Jesus.... ;)

Hermes Trismegistus innit. :)

Sort of close anyway. Three religions and all that...
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'Ringed crucifix' 28 Jan 2013 21:13 #10

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Thete is a similar cross here

www.sangraal.com/AMET/hendaye.html
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'Ringed crucifix' 28 Jan 2013 21:16 #11

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oioioi wrote:
Never seen it displayed as such before and it puts me in mind of a certain other cross!

The fascist one? :D
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'Ringed crucifix' 28 Jan 2013 21:19 #12

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i'd say its most like a celtic cross yo
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a torso of flesh upon the throne

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'Ringed crucifix' 28 Jan 2013 21:24 #13

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andyh wrote:
oioioi wrote:
Never seen it displayed as such before and it puts me in mind of a certain other cross!

The fascist one? :D

Nah, the troll pride one :D

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'Ringed crucifix' 28 Jan 2013 22:11 #14

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They represent shark jaws.

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Back in the day crucifixes were used by fishermen to catch sharks. ;)
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'Ringed crucifix' 29 Jan 2013 06:46 #15

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It's not a cruciifix, y'fools - it's a post for keeping the spare barbed-wire tidy. :roll:
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'Ringed crucifix' 29 Jan 2013 12:30 #16

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The sun was the most powerful astrological body in the ancient world and was worshipped as the image of God in almost every nation, especially in ancient Greece.

In antiquity, the sun-god was represented as the driver of a fiery chariot who wore a crown of thorns or fiery rays. The chariot was the sun which was pulled through the sky above the clouds by four horses that represented the four seasons.

In Greek mythology, Hyperion was the Titan of light, the father of the sun, the moon, and the dawn, and Helios was his son.

Helios was depicted as a youth with a halo wearing a billowing white cloak. In early Christian art, Jesus was sometimes represented as an incarnation of Helios such as in a fresco in the necropolis beneath St. Peter's in Rome.

Metaphors of Helios, the Sun

Many different cultures had Sun-Gods. For the Greeks he was named Apollo, Zeus, or Helios, for the Egyptians he was Horus, for the Romans he was Sol Invicus, for the Phonecians he was Baal, for the Persians he was Mithra, for the first Christians he was personified as Jesus, the Christ. The following metaphors are characteristics and attributes of the "Sun" of God:

- The sun (like the above drawing) wears a crown of thorns or a halo.

- The sun "walks on water" when it rises or sets on a body of water

- The sun's "followers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the Zodiac, through which the sun passes.

- The sun is "crucified," when it passes through the spring and fall equinoxes, the vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is resurrected.

- The long stem cross represented the staff of Apollo long before the time of Jesus

- Dec 25th is the winter solstice and birth of the sun.

The early Christian Church eagerly promoted Jesus-Helios-Sol sun symbolism to appease the Roman emperor Constantine who was the high priest of Sol Invictus all through his reign. The sun symbolism continues to the present day on robes, banners, icons, behind the cross in a ray of light, flames coming from the heart of Jesus, etc. Priests even bow and kiss a monstrance which is a gold statue of the sun on a pedestal during processions.
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What is the centrepiece in that scene. :coffee:



could be a representation of troll face too though, why not. :hahano:
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'Ringed crucifix' 29 Jan 2013 12:52 #17

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oioioi wrote:
Never seen it displayed as such before

I posit that you have, but with the symbolism in different forms...

A Greek Orthodox priest holds up a cross during Christmas services at a Greek Orthodox church
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Source: framework.latimes.com/2011/01/07/the-week-in-pictures-19/#/0




Orthodoxy Cross

Source: www.lasvegasgreekfestival.com/orthodoxy.aspx

Edit: and if you havent, you have now ^^ :chuckle:


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Can anyone shed any light on this?
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Last Edit: 29 Jan 2013 13:05 by novum. Reason: SUN-day
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'Ringed crucifix' 29 Jan 2013 13:29 #18

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I've seen ringed crucifixes before, just never ringed with the thorns in such a way.

I have also seen a pyramid complete with all seeing eye in a Greek church!
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'Ringed crucifix' 03 Feb 2013 09:59 #19

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Depositphotos 9581978 Old Wooden Cross With Bloody Crown Of Thorns
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A Roman cross made of old, weathered wood, encircled by a bloody crown of thorns, emblematic of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Noun 1. crown of thorns - any affliction that causes great suffering; "that is his cross to bear"; "he bears his afflictions like a crown of thorns"
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