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Point of Conspiracy Theory? 07 Mar 2013 23:36 #81

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Yeah you win, well done andyh, you've defended conspiracies theory logic valiantly, now I will stop refreshing the page to read nonsense I've personally heard from you a thousand times and wait hopefully for space bandit to answer my questions.
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Point of Conspiracy Theory? 07 Mar 2013 23:46 #82

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Mike wrote:
Yeah you win, well done andyh, you've defended conspiracies theory logic valiantly, now I will stop refreshing the page to read nonsense I've personally heard from you a thousand times and wait hopefully for space bandit to answer my questions.

Facts not theories.
I don't want to hear about little green men, lizards, moon people, y2k or alex jones screaming about the russians invading and then trying on the side to sell off some berkeley water filters and perhaps some back garden nuclear bomb shelters and a 3yr supply of MRE's :)
I'm just as pissed at that particular type of conspiracy nonsense as you are.
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Point of Conspiracy Theory? 08 Mar 2013 00:15 #83

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andyh wrote:
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People need to eat, sleep, buy cloths, drink water, use electricity, money is not the determining factor, it's the people and the way we treat it.

Money is not the cause of human decisions human decisions and choices are mediated, governed by money, this is a very interesting topic.

People need to do all sorts of things, question is do they NEED money to do it?

Wether we like it or not we all need money. Money pays for electricity,food,roof over your families head etc. I would love to be able to give up money but if i did i would be jumping from the frying pan into the fire. :)
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Point of Conspiracy Theory? 08 Mar 2013 00:25 #84

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foonclown wrote:
andyh wrote:
Mike wrote:
People need to eat, sleep, buy cloths, drink water, use electricity, money is not the determining factor, it's the people and the way we treat it.

Money is not the cause of human decisions human decisions and choices are mediated, governed by money, this is a very interesting topic.

People need to do all sorts of things, question is do they NEED money to do it?

Wether we like it or not we all need money. Money pays for electricity,food,roof over your families head etc. I would love to be able to give up money but if i did i would be jumping from the frying pan into the fire. :)

There you go again with the NEED.

Only humans 'need' money. Only modern ones at that.
What we are really saying is that we don't love and care for each other so we 'need' tokens to 'buy' the co-operation of others and most of the tokens are hoarded by the very same ones that issue it...and we think thats OK :)

So we don't love and care for each other but we let the ones least deserving of any co-operation handle the tokens for the co-operation.

Personally I think human evolution stopped a long time ago :D
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Point of Conspiracy Theory? 08 Mar 2013 00:41 #85

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andyh wrote:
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Ok just point me to a link where you explain the relevance of a promissory note.

It's an empty promise.
Take it to the bank & ask them to redeem it for the value it signifies... as the promissory note states it will.
That's a stupid thing to do, a bank is not a gold merchant :) edit: it doesn't sell anything, it has nothing to sell you, it might offer you change or something equivalent to the amount you present?

A bank is a saving deposit utility, they call this high street banking, it gives banks assets which you get a minute share of with interest rates, you go into a bank and withdraw a £20 note which you can use to exchange for anything, how is that an empty promise?
If you buy £20 worth of silver, the person who sold you the silver can go and use that £20 to go buy bread and chicken or put it towards a Berkey water filter, how is it an empty promise?

You can give them an account card for a deposit enter a pin and they give you £20, where is the empty promise, you deposit money, they keep it safe, is that not the purpose of a bank, not to give you the bank tellers jewelry?

You miss the point.
Where is the value in the money if there is nothing to back it up?

The only reply you can give is that the value it has is the insane belief that millions of people have :)
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Exactly.
It's a promise that doesn't exist so how at all is it valid?
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Point of Conspiracy Theory? 08 Mar 2013 00:47 #86

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It's a promise that does exist, in paper form.
Last Edit: 08 Mar 2013 00:48 by Mike.
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Point of Conspiracy Theory? 08 Mar 2013 13:32 #87

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Here are a few clues again, just in case there's any confusion.

Promise2g


Promise


www.royalmint.com/aboutus/policies-and-g...al-tender-guidelines
Legal tender has a very narrow and technical meaning in the settlement of debts. It means that a debtor cannot successfully be sued for non-payment if he pays into court in legal tender. It does not mean that any ordinary transaction has to take place in legal tender or only within the amount denominated by the legislation. Both parties are free to agree to accept any form of payment whether legal tender or otherwise according to their wishes. In order to comply with the very strict rules governing an actual legal tender it is necessary, for example, actually to offer the exact amount due because no change can be demanded.

Royalmint


Why would a central authority wish to control the printing of money, and then instill the notion in society that this is the sole unit of exchange, even though this isn't even the case legally?

The answer should be obvious.
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Last Edit: 08 Mar 2013 13:37 by wake_up_bomb.
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Point of Conspiracy Theory? 08 Mar 2013 13:59 #88

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andyh wrote:
Mike wrote:
it's a need for money,.


Coming from a so called marxist its absolutely hilarious.

Why?

- Economic needs are kinda a central feature of Marxism. I thought Marx had a lot to say about money.
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Point of Conspiracy Theory? 08 Mar 2013 14:08 #89

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
Why would a central authority wish to control the printing of money, and then instill the notion in society that this is the sole unit of exchange, even though this isn't even the case legally?

The answer should be obvious.

I don't think I've ever met anyone in my entire life who believes exchange transactions have to be legally completed with money. Though I admit it's not something I routinely ask.
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Point of Conspiracy Theory? 08 Mar 2013 14:22 #90

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dogsmilk wrote:
I don't think I've ever met anyone in my entire life who believes exchange transactions have to be legally completed with money. Though I admit it's not something I routinely ask.
Go out into the street now, ask people at random "what is legal tender in Britain?", report back to us on what the answers are.
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Point of Conspiracy Theory? 08 Mar 2013 14:25 #91

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andyh wrote:
foonclown wrote:
andyh wrote:
Mike wrote:
People need to eat, sleep, buy cloths, drink water, use electricity, money is not the determining factor, it's the people and the way we treat it.

Money is not the cause of human decisions human decisions and choices are mediated, governed by money, this is a very interesting topic.

People need to do all sorts of things, question is do they NEED money to do it?

Wether we like it or not we all need money. Money pays for electricity,food,roof over your families head etc. I would love to be able to give up money but if i did i would be jumping from the frying pan into the fire. :)

There you go again with the NEED.

Only humans 'need' money. Only modern ones at that.
What we are really saying is that we don't love and care for each other so we 'need' tokens to 'buy' the co-operation of others and most of the tokens are hoarded by the very same ones that issue it...and we think thats OK :)

So we don't love and care for each other but we let the ones least deserving of any co-operation handle the tokens for the co-operation.

Personally I think human evolution stopped a long time ago :D

You're right Andy. But I think we "need" money in the sense we all "need" it to get by I'm fairly confident you don't ask your customers to simply give you big hug and accept that as payment in full or send your electricity supplier a basketfull of happy thoughts.

We don't "need" it in the broad sense that it's a primitive idea that encourages all kinds of negative human traits and we'd function far better as a society without it. That goes for barter too of course.
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Point of Conspiracy Theory? 08 Mar 2013 14:27 #92

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
dogsmilk wrote:
I don't think I've ever met anyone in my entire life who believes exchange transactions have to be legally completed with money. Though I admit it's not something I routinely ask.
Go out into the street now, ask people at random "what is legal tender in Britain?", report back to us on what the answers are.

That's begging the question though. They'll say £ sterling - because the newsagent won't accept Rupees or shillings.

I've yet to see anyone express astonishment they can part exchange their car without being arrested.
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dogsmilk wrote:
I've yet to see anyone express astonishment they can part exchange their car without being arrested.
This isn't really the issue.
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Point of Conspiracy Theory? 08 Mar 2013 14:37 #94

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
dogsmilk wrote:
I've yet to see anyone express astonishment they can part exchange their car without being arrested.
This isn't really the issue.

Then what is?
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Point of Conspiracy Theory? 08 Mar 2013 14:43 #95

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:chuckle:
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Point of Conspiracy Theory? 08 Mar 2013 14:47 #96

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dogsmilk wrote:
Then what is?
I'm sorry, I'm too busy to get into discussions on forums nowadays, I've got other things to be doing. If it's not clear to you what the issue is, keep your eyes open, and you might work it out eventually.
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Point of Conspiracy Theory? 08 Mar 2013 14:54 #97

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
dogsmilk wrote:
Then what is?
I'm sorry, I'm too busy to get into discussions on forums nowadays, I've got other things to be doing. If it's not clear to you what the issue is, keep your eyes open, and you might work it out eventually.

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dogsmilk wrote:
andyh wrote:
Mike wrote:
it's a need for money,.


Coming from a so called marxist its absolutely hilarious.

Why?

- Economic needs are kinda a central feature of Marxism. I thought Marx had a lot to say about money.

The key word is 'need' not money.
marx is actually even more of a cunt than some of the ayn rand style capitalists in some respects.
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dogsmilk wrote:
We don't "need" it in the broad sense that it's a primitive idea that encourages all kinds of negative human traits and we'd function far better as a society without it. That goes for barter too of course.

Then we don't need it. Its as simple as that.
Anything else would have to be an illogical statement by definition.
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Point of Conspiracy Theory? 08 Mar 2013 15:06 #100

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The irony is andyh you need money to pay your internet bills to be able to say such nonsense.
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