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oioioi wrote:

jhado wrote: There's obviously a large middle ground between those two extremes, what answers do you want from me, have you considered requiring me to give you answers puts me in the awkward position of being in control?
This is the passive disinterested aloof ignorance that gives rise to dominant authoritarian regimes.
If you were interested in a new way you would consider how for yourself, and maybe even build it with the only power you have?

You could just admit TVP is the way forward and get involved

Mike wrote:
I am building my own way , and I'm happy, it's you who is preaching mike...

andyh wrote:
Sell it to us Andy, here is your big chance so paint the utopian picture....

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Empathy is probably not a word these people even want to hear. They have abandoned the good side of their free will, and are quite busy hijacking the free wills of many people. The good news is that too many people are waking up too fast. Why else are they in such a hurry to disarm America for example?

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Here you go with the utopian thing again

Its just an improvement is all and its along the lines of what you've already mentioned.
You should already know it well by now and know that it is nothing more than a way of living without money via co-operation and plentiful production of needs.
It is basically nothing more than the evolution of mankind, its expected IMHO.

I don't expect someone to throw a light switch and have this up and working tomorrow, so some progressive measures within the monetary paradigm would have to be in place first to head towards it.

If 100% digital money as a solution to the worlds economic ills do indeed get implemented as I expect it to be then this so called 'utopian' (lol) vision is that much father off because of it, we will simply extend the lifetime of the banking system and kick the can farther down the road. This is the way things go tbh.

andyh wrote: But once we have socialism there'll be no need for TVP at least as it has been conceived by one individual, the real one will come from the active participation of the populace in general not Jacques the deified founder.

wizards wrote:
Odd video, so odd I watched it twice, I like it

andyh wrote:
Oh well i was hoping it would look like the pic with thoroughbreds walking around who want to hang out with knackered mid 30's guys.

Well that's my input for right now but i'm hoping to hear more utopian ideas from everyone.

wizards wrote: Dafuq is going on with the shoulder pads in his jacket!?

Heaven on earth
Imo you don't start with an idea then try and apply it to material reality, that's how you end up with failure.
You start with material reality and make it better, who or what you make it better for is what's being discussed here, for the majority they work only to make it better for themselves, their personal interest is all that matters, if the majority worked for the majority like the minority work for the minority we could actively actualize an improved social order, a genuinely new world.

Mike wrote:
I've NFI what you mean by socialism in this instance because as far as I'm concerned we already have it.
You'll have to define what you mean by socialism instead of the dictionary.
Eg does it include FR banking? Does it include standard representative democracy? Does it include taxes? If so how much and what services are provided in return? What is guaranteed or not guaranteed? Does it include a higher form of constitutional law? What can you legally buy and own and what can you not and so on?

Mike wrote:
You should debate some capitalists like Lynn

Capitalism the 'greatest engine for growth' says Lady Lynn Rothschild


Lynn Forester de Rothschild, CEO of E.L. Rothschild talks to Shivvy Jervis about the private sector as a driver of sustainable growth, ethical business and the Henry Jackson Initiative for Inclusive Capitalism (which she co-chairs with McKinsey Global MD Dominic Barton)

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Does david icke have empathy when decent forum members on there are being continually abused on a daily basis by nazis and other extremists, or when certain mods are dishing out warnings for fuck all,just a thought .......



Talk about lowering peoples vibrations...I bet Icke is not short of a bob or two...£$£$£$£$£$
The English word is derived from the Greek word ἐμπάθεια (empatheia), "physical affection, passion, partiality" which comes from ἐν (en), "in, at" + πάθος (pathos), "passion" or "suffering"....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_BOB
www.noanxiety.com/tests/empathy-test.html