mikey mikey wrote:
Cousin_Frothy wrote:
I've tried to start this clip at 23mis 16 secs for your questions, however it won't do it, so you'll need to move it along to that point for my answer, to why I mentioned communism in reference to Brand.
Thanks for that but I have to say that to be influenced or informed by Marx's work does not make one a "Marxist" in the modern political sense and certainly does not necessarily mean that one is a communist. Marx is more than the father of Socialism btw.
I hoped you listened as far as 24:50 "taking care of the most vulnerable..to me that is not Socialism that is Christian that is spiritual".
Cousin_Frothy wrote:
Btw I'm not going to get into a debate about communism.
Well that is a shame because it would have been more interesting to me than a couple of paragraphs from Wikipedia. But in lieu of our own thoughts and words on the matter, perhaps this, from your own wiki source, will help shed light on Marx's influence vis-à-vis political Marxism.
There is no single definitive Marxist theory; Marxist analysis has been applied to diverse subjects and has been misconceived and modified during the course of its development, resulting in numerous and sometimes contradictory theories that fall under the rubric of Marxism or Marxian analysis.
Marxism has developed into different branches and schools of thought. Different schools place a greater emphasis on certain aspects of Classical Marxism while de-emphasizing or rejecting other aspects of Marxism, sometimes combining Marxist analysis with non-Marxian concepts.
Marxist understandings of history and of society have been adopted by academics in the disciplines of archaeology and anthropology,[6] media studies,[7] political science, theater, history, sociological theory, art history and art theory, cultural studies, education, economics, geography, literary criticism, aesthetics, critical psychology, and philosophy.
Karl Marx founded Marxism, which is widely known as an influential political and economic system, but which is also a religion from a sociological perspective. Marx founded "Marxist Communism" and he was one of history's most important proponents of Communism. Marx co-authored The Communist Manifesto, which is probably the most important document in the history of Communsim, essentially the "scripture" or "holy book" of the movement. But Marx himself did not create Communism; it was an existing, organized philosophy that he was attracted to.
www.adherents.com/people/pm/Karl_Marx.html
Quirky comedian Russell Brand took to an American basketball match to root for the working class.
Brand wore an angry expression as he sat in the front row of an LA Lakers game and the words of Karl Marx written on his arm. The inscription read: "Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains."
Brand, who is engaged to Katy Perry, might be feeling the ball and chain of impending marriage. But most likely, the Sun newspaper claims, he was trying to get some publicity for the late father of communism.
Brand afterward took to his Twitter account to say: "I've just heard the Lakers are all millionaires! How?! I put my balls in a basket ONCE and I was thrown out of the maternity ward.
What is a Laker anyway? A sub-aquatic Quaker? It doesn't make sense. And they pick the ball up in their hands. God I miss West Ham [a UK football team]."
entertainment.ca.msn.com/celebs/article....-documentid=23619091
I don't want to debate communism, perhaps Marx did reform or create his one version of it ''"Marxist Communism" .
The only point here is that Brand is referring to it in some capacity or another and even if it is not exactly communism it's got the same connections to communism as Christianity has with the Old testament. One seems to be a close ally of the other.
So we can say depending on Brands exact thoughts about Marxism could depend on where and how moderate to communism even in the Marxist formula that he is positioned. which is exactly why I don't want to get in to a lengthy debate about it, only that Brand is somewhere between a moderate Marxist and a communist Marxist for where he gets his viewpoints from.
