No idea who you are goldenprince and not really sure I want to now

@atwood, I said "this is a forum not a police station" in regards to Dawnbreak's accusations. She needs to go to the police and report it, if what she's saying is true (I'm not saying it's not), or/and consult a psychologist. About anyone can come here and say "I've been...." - be it true or not. And what will that achieve?
This is a forum FFS! Are you qualified to help her in any way? Did you even pm her if you so care? Doubt so. And oioioi made it clear this is not a courtroom as well, we're not qualified to judge anyone and give a verdict.
Whatever way you look at it it's all speculations. It's all futile.
And what is this fascination and obsession with this subject anyway? How are you helping in any way the cause, other than posting shyte on forums? Do you take into consideration the 3rd parties? No! You're just feeding your massive ego. Have some common sense FFS! Wanna make a difference? Stop talking, start acting. I really wanna know how you're helping the cause in the REAL world other than shit stirring on the interwebs.

@atwood

Sticking to the facts? OK.
Facts = person found guilty in a court, sent to prison. They don't read the forum in prison, and nor do they care.
BUT - they have relatives on the outside, that might read the forums. They are some kid's uncle, someone's brother, someone's son. They could read the forums. The victim could read what's said.
You tell me, again, what will it achieve? NADA! Other than more heartbreak to those who had enough of it thrown in their faces.

marina wrote:
So victims should stay silent?

I totally disagree with you.

@atwood, I said "this is a forum not a police station" in regards to Dawnbreak's accusations. She needs to go to the police and report it, if what she's saying is true (I'm not saying it's not), or/and consult a psychologist. About anyone can come here and say "I've been...." - be it true or not. And what will that achieve?

Gilly wrote: atwood wrote:
Here...
atwood wrote:
Don't you know what you're saying?

atwood wrote:
But I never responded to 'allegedly', since it was only the word 'potentially' that we were discussing, after your stating it was all important to this particular circumstance. So your later question about the press using 'allegedly' was entirely superfluous.

atwood wrote:
Where did I say the victim should remain silent? Give me a break!

You want to silence her on this forum.

atwood wrote:
If you are referring to our lovely Dawn then yes, her comments were potentially libellous, it's would be for the legal system that governs such issues to determine the exact grounds for libel action.

We don't know if the people mentioned would ...

A) Read or find out about the comments.
B) Make a claim.

However it's quite clear for even those who don't have a detailed understanding of defamation and libel law that posting comments about people having sex with youngsters, where they or their families could see such comments 'out in the public' view could as far as we know draw libel action towards the forum.

It's not the case that the facilitators of this forum or other posts by other posters on this thread are acting as legal guardians or law advisors, nor police, nor manipulators or identifiers of exact details of libel law, posters are merely identifying that the said comments and other such comments that contain accusations that remain unproven in law could easily draw libel action depending on A) & B).

We don't know about A) & B) but why bring the forum into a situation of A) & B), even if we don't know the exact legal implications of an exact case of potential libel regarding Dawn's post, why continue with a flow of posts that could motivate the named persons to commence with a claim.
This will hopefully make posters think about the implications of their posts and possible libel actions towards the forum hosts, as 'publishers' in the future.

I must say if the forum facilitators requested that I did not post certain information because it could harm them, or draw legal action towards the forum, I would respect their wishes, if I did not agree, I'd find another forum to post my information on the said matter.

On a personal level, as has been pointed out already, these people have family, I feel as if it would be an awful thing to do to post posts on an online forum, that could potentially harm peoples families, it's thoughtless.

Finally it's worth pointing out that if a poster was looking at 'these people' to be prosecuted then posting posts prior to a court case could damage the court case against them.

So even if anyone here disagrees about what's libel or not, what's moral or not, there can be no debate surely on what's irresponsible, a forum is not a place for reporting the sexual behaviour of other people.

Unless of course someone would be happy to create such a forum, I'm quite sure that forum would often be a place of debate within the legal system.

Fuck off.

Is that clear enough for you?

psketti wrote:
Nice.

You want to silence her on this forum.

atwood wrote:

I'm out of fucking patience with you.

Just so you know.

Are you always as intolerant of people who have different opinions to you?

atwood wrote:

People with different opinions?

Nope.

Just cunts I'm afraid...

psketti wrote:
Fair enough.

You must have a very high opinion of yourself to be that judgmental.

Like I said, I have tried to explain my position but to know avail, no biggie.

People are very touchy around here

I also see you must have had a rather busy day yesterday seeing as you traveled a fair distance across the globe from Mayalasia to the UK... are you sure you have time to visit our little forum?