Ok, I think it's time we all had a chat in regards to a subject that has recently become rather prominant around here, so this is the thread to do just that

The subject being CSA.

As we all know the recent shennanigans on DIF left us with many new members and a large proportion of those members were very active on the CSA threads over there.
Upon their arrival, things ticked along just fine before a few 'cracks' started to appear, which subsequently came to a head with the thread that I was involved in, that was first vented then deleted regarding a very dodgy title and content that raised more than a few eyebrows.

The resulting fall out from that seems to be that the CSA posters have gone very quiet for the most part. This could be for a mutitude of reasons but seeing as I don't know for sure, I'm going to go with the assumption that it's left them unsure of how to proceed, if at all, from here on in. Which is understandable.

From a personal perspective, I'm very apprehensive about giving a platform to the subject and the thread that was binned, plus the current conversation going on in TPV/coverage thread in relation to the number plates, has only heightened that apprehension and highlights why we need to speak about this first before we move on.

If we go a head with this, some basics need to be outlined and decided together or it's just not going to work.


There are NO pre excisting members on this forum that I'm aware of, that were not aware of what's actually going on out there. I'm mentioning this because it's been hinted at a few times by more than a few of the new posters that we somehow are unaware and not in the know-how. You couldn't be further from the truth and to be honest, this comes across as very condescending and insulting. Just because we didn't (or don't) participate in anything savile or CSA related, does not mean we've been living under a rock and if anyone who's arrived here of late thinks like that about us, they're very much mistaken.
I also, personally, took some umbridge with a few posts which suggested that because we weren't 'active' in this fight, that we were somehow 'lesser' and suggest that if those types of suggestions start getting thrown around at members by those who feel they're doing more than the next person, then I also suggest they reconsider posting to begin with. Its a low tactic in my opinion and I expect many more members feel the same way and will not think twice about voicing that opinion should it continue. That kind of shit just won't cut it around here I'm afraid.

So, as a forum... and I guess this is directed more at the regular members than anyone else... do we embrace this and give the people who have worked on those threads a platform so to speak given they're here already, or do we leave it as is to dwindle away?

If we decide on a yes, the best answer all round would be to have a sub forum for all CSA related threads, members only so logging in would be required. At the moment, that seems to be the fair thing to do if we are to progress forward and I would hope that would be a satisfactory solution for those who wish to contribute and further their research.


This subject needs a voice... however, around here, that 'voice' has to be non speculative, non libelous and truthful, given the nature of the subject. There can be no leeway with that. All those who post will need to keep these things in mind because if you don't, I can assure you that there are plenty members who miss nothing and you will be called out on anything that doesn't wash.
Personally, I see this as a positive thing and at no point would I see reason to class these incidents, should they arise, as 'thread derailments' or 'thread jacked' or any other label that's thrown around when the going gets tough... lies are lies, bullshit is bullshit and if an individual wishes to try this line of posting, then I wish them the best of the luck with that around here!
Not to mention the damage that false information does to a cause such as this and greatly undermines the hard work and effort that's clearly put in by some people.

Ok, I'm done for now I think... off to get another coffee fix


I'm not the most articulate person and tend to just let it flow as opposed to anything 'planned', so I hope that's come across as I intended... and apologies for the things I'll have forgotten to mention but should have


So people, old and new, let's discuss

Thank you for your comments, it is good to get this out upfront. I have not seen all the posts you refer to, however I doubt posters meant to come across as condescending. Research on CSA has been so all consuming and many of the posters on DIF burnt out with the utter evilness of it all. We had contact with many survivors, thanking us for supporting them and pushing this forward. We even attended police stations with them when they needed a friend, and provided some top notch evidence for lawyers in Kenya who stated that they were going to use it in court in their prosecution against abuse of a children's orphanage. It was not just a jolly, it was a path that we could not fail to follow once we started.

Yes, we are passionate about exposing this and perhaps we get a little dismissive of people that do not always appear to be making it a priority. When we ask do you know about it, it is merely to assess level of understanding before we comment, not to make you feel in any way inferior

I totally agree in regards to being research based but non speculative, non libellous and truthful. The only thing for me that instantly makes me feel that this may not be our best platform, is the need for a closed thread with only members having the ability to read. It is pretty clear that you guys are already pretty clued up on the issue, our aim is to push it forward, to force the hand of the MSM and government into reporting, and taking action. Also to spread the word and show survivors that there are people out there who care. Clearly for us a closed thread would not achieve this.

Will be interested to read other's thoughts and hope that whatever the outcome, we can all still remain friends. We are, after all, on the same side

I would basically say that the kinds of posts I have seen are no better than talking about alien moon men.
Total bollocks with no evidence, its like reading sorcha faal posts.

Yes, SOME of the bbc staff obviously knew about saville just as many other people did including members of the public, especially anyone at stoke mandeville at the time etc.
However, trying to single out anyone as being directly involved without evidence makes you no better than the child stealing SS and their 'family ' kangaroo courts.

This forum was kicked off by people at the time who were pissed off with the apparent support of racism/fascism/authoritarianism by the DIF forum which would be at total odds with Icke's own message, yet Icke himself never bothered to mention it and they only banned the nazis AFTER the large crowd here left the DIF as the forum was then tilted in favour of the nazis.

If we discuss anything here we like to see some common sense and links to some halfway decent journalism on the matter.
Everyone is welcome to post their own opinions ofc but if they are unsubstantiated then its best to make clear thats the case, the last thing we want is this forum getting in trouble as we don't have hosting in vanuatu.

We see such posts as being deliberately aimed at getting the forum in trouble, thats the problem IMHO.

Also its worth bearing in mind that some of the members here have a strong sense of scale and importance in this 'truth' scene so to speak.
911 for example could have been instigated by any group and they could even come forward today and acknowledge everything they did...but would it change anything as regards the way the world is run and the overall agenda?
The answer is obviously no. The shit would carry on as usual.
You can arrest and imprison hundreds of child abusers too but it won't stop it from happening again and again in future because they keep cropping up. Again its not addressing the core issues, just as 911 is not a core issue itself, merely a symptom of a bigger core issue.

TPV will not solve anything either because it makes the same mistake, it keeps on bantering about bullshit. Thats all it is, venting bollocks and the aim is to simply make Icke some money.
He has NEVER identified the core issue, nor has he ever focused on it or supported ideas that could actually make radical headway for everyones lives on this planet. Alex Jones is the same. The best he can come up with is vote Ron Paul....lol.
I'm sorry but this is just complete pathetic crap, I saw it donkeys years ago and I still see it today.

The core issue is the way our perception has been altered and the way we process information by the media, the education system and most importantly of all by the banking system which has usurped the entire economic system itself which is what motivates everyone to do what they do.
If the monetary system changed then the whole planet would change as 99.9999% of everything we complain about on here is directly linked to the economic system, it motivates the behaviour.
If just this one issue was changed the effect it would have is truly devastating in scale.
It wouldn't solve all our issues but it would be a hell of an improvement over arguing about reptilians and the CSA etc

Yes, we are indeed on the same side

The logged in only suggestion, was just merely that, a suggestion... so that's still up for debate and by no means a forgone conclusion.

We're just going to have a pick away at it all until we find the common ground and if we don't, then at least we have tried.

I agree with the majority of what you say AndyH but children are MY priority and I leave others to fight the economic system. This sub forum was not supposed to sway anyone away from the issues they feel strongly about, but to run in conjunction with. Working together for an end goal.

And just for the record, I doubt many of the new posters have any intention of fighting 'lizards'.

andyh wrote:

Unfortunately, I too share this view but from reading some of the posts of late, the flip side to that is that some of these people doing research may have inadvertantly helped out some children and as someone pointed out, if even one has been removed or helped in a dangerous situation, then that counts for something.

There is no 'end' or solution though. It isn't going to stop.

Miss Behaving wrote:

*makes ammends to the list*

psketti wrote:
There is no good being defeatist, we just HAVE to believe that we can make a better world, otherwise we may all just as well raise our hands and wait for the water cannons to wash us down each morning!

Miss Behaving wrote:
Its worth noting that as income levels rise, crime decreases and that includes child abuse.
Therein lies your solution, simple as.
Happy families=happy kids.
What do most couples argue about? Money, or rather the lack of it. It eventually leads to drug/alcohol abuse and then child abuse and broken families.
We were brought up to expect a job and a single salary to pay for a family, then gov aimed to break that down, jobs became fewer and part time, salaries went down, they pushed the mother and father to work, prices went up above inflation spurred on by increasing taxation.

So as you can see, a whole shitload of stuff is related to the economic situation so why bother with symptoms?

Miss Behaving wrote:
I'd love to share that sentiment miss B but with this subject, it's almost as if for each person exposed or caught in this tangled web, there are another three/four/five seemingly waiting to fill that space.
Would like to point out that I'm not just refering to anything related to the establishment either... I'm including the abuse that goes on in families too, that for the most part, goes unrecorded.
It's there however, unrecorded or not.
And yes, I know that's a very pessimistic outlook to have but I got it the hard way and my days of optimism, have long since passed me by.

But thats obviously just my opinion and in no way am I knocking anyone involved in researching and working on this... far from it and I would hate for anyone to read that and think that I am.

I'd like to be more optimistic in regards to some things but sadly I'm not.

andyh wrote:

andyh wrote:

Although I completely agree that drugs and alcohol can play major parts when it comes to child abuse, it is also of my opinion that when it comes to sexual child abuse, drugs and alcohol are used as 'excuses' and are by no means, the cause.

Oh yes you're deffo right they resent us having genuine love, I think thats very important IMHO.
They're doing their level best to break it though aren't they?
Destroying the family unit and making people separate and concerned with the self.
This has been going on since Edward Bernays and his public relations. We're being slowly bled dry of money while all the time TV adverts tell you to buy a car, a house, go on holiday abroad once a year, they show rich single females with wardrobes full of 50 pairs of shoes and clothing to match lol. Its a compete fantasy, so out of touch with reality.

In the 1960's and 1970's western families were coping and managing to more or less live in line with the consumer paradigm. They could afford it all on a single income and families were more or less quite solid. Of course back then as now it wasn't without problems but nothing like the escalating issues we face today and those issues are primarily driven by poverty.

I did a thread on DIF quite some time ago now called 'the fear of having children'.
You wouldn't believe how many emotional strings it pulled, lol
We are actually facing population DECLINE eventually after a peak in 2040-2050 as proven by the UN's own demographics.
The reason behind it is a decline in fertility rates, driven by primarily people not wanting to have kids anymore (wanting to get rich instead) and ofc the GM foods, vaccines etc etc which are reducing male fertility.
If you look at Japan as an extreme example they will shortly be unable to pay the pension bill. Economic collapse is not just likely here it is inevitable and the only way they will address it is to simply drop pensions and healthcare etc altogether.

In the UK the DWP budget allocated for pensions has increased from 36% to 47% since 2007 alone...
To put this in perspective the allocation to jobseekers allowance is 3%.
The number of people reaching retirement age is rapidly increasing every day and they now have a real dilemma on their hands after bailing out the banksters. The media chooses to focus on immigrants and the unemployed yet they are NOT what is actually costing the country the most.
What is costing it the most is borrowing at interest when it could issue its own money at 0% interest but politicians do not want the responsibility of handling the economy so they have outsourced it to the banks and instead choose to focus on the most vulnerable in society which is a tactic of fascists.

psketti wrote:
At times it can become so overwhelming and seems futile, but if we can work on exposure and proper sentencing then we can work towards a better future, I truly believe that.
One of your new posters here, I will name her because she is lovely, IWTT, has helped us achieve really positive things. Because of her encouragement and templates, we have already fought and won three sentence reviews. These paedophiles received lenient sentences but by all writing to the Attorney General, they were overturned and longer sentences were given. Three paedophiles off the street for longer has got to be something to feel optimistic about. We are pushing for a review of ALL sentencing for child abusers, we are also naming judges who continually give out lenient sentences. All of these are positive actions.

psketti wrote:
There are some who will do it no matter what their income.
However, they are in the minority not the majority, so if we want to make some headway on the issue we would naturally first address the biggest part of it then work our way through the lesser parts.
I would actually point at the social services as being highly secretive because they would have to acknowledge that truly evil predators seek such positions in society precisely so that they can abuse kids. This is why we see the likes of saville where he was, priests where they are and so on and so forth.

If we address the monetary issue then we would ofc kill off many incentives for governmental secrecy which is the lifeblood of politicians who are themselves paid for by lobbyists.

The monetary system and its connected governance is what has fucked with peoples brains and this skullfucking (lol) has some inevitable consequences of twisting all of society, the paradigm is insane so it produces insane people. People adapt to their environment so if you want to mess up the population you mess up their environment.

Child abuse has been around since the dawn of humanity and will be around until its sunset.

We are more conscious of paedophiles these days - I very much doubt there is more of it going on than there was 50, 100 or 500 years ago. Except that people were more concerned with witches a few centuries back - and with fighting world wars a few decades back.

As regards the forum, its owners have to be aware of libel laws which could affect them, as well as anyone who actually posts the libel.

Child abuse exists mainly because it is a business, and unfortunately there are too Many people willing to PAY for this attrocity.

Verlander wrote:
Yes, but what have now is a creeping acceptability for paedophilia, a government that puts a longer sentencing and priority on financial crimes than those that abuse a child. That is what we must stop.

Verlander wrote:
Well there is more of it going on because the population is larger.
I'm assuming you mean as a %.
People were probably just as concerned with the same issues back then as now IMHO, just that there was less or no media whatsoever and they just had to do as they were told. We still do today but the manipulation is not as overt and obvious.
Instead today we are overwhelmed with information from many sources and in many languages and it affects many cultures.
The only thing that is common to everyone is the money motive and the establishment saw the opportunity to reinforce this control via electronic means with the dawn of networked computing around the 1980's.

Miss Behaving wrote:
Hmm lol.
If anything I see the opposite.
Bankers walk away from the greatest financial theft the planet has ever seen.
Iceland is the only country I know of that has tried to jail these guys.

I think you mean small scale crime is prosecuted harder than large scale. In fact if anything large scale crime is seen as something to be proud of and to aspire to, right?