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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 11 Feb 2014 14:43 #461

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Wub, I tend to stick to WTC7 too when discussing 9/11 for the reasons laid out in this thread!

It's the one building that wasn't hit and therefore defies logic that it collapsed as did the twin towers due to aviation fuel etc.

I have been kicked off a forum before for sticking to this point when the site owner insisted that WTC7 was designed in such a way that as a safety precaution it was constructed with one central column which if compromised brings the whole building down. The laughable notion that this was a safety factor was all he had.

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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 11 Feb 2014 14:45 #462

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Wub, I tend to stick to WTC7 too when discussing 9/11 for the reasons laid out in this thread!

It's the one building that wasn't hit and therefore defies logic that it collapsed as did the twin towers due to aviation fuel etc.

I have been kicked off a forum before for sticking to this point when the site owner insisted that WTC7 was designed in such a way that as a safety precaution it was constructed with one central column which if compromised brings the whole building down. The laughable notion that this was a safety factor was all he had.
As I say, I've read the official explanation, I've read the debunking stuff...total rubbish. Every time I've seen the debunkers attempting to discuss the issue in real time they just have no valid arguments:

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If you believe the official story then no high rise building is safe, lol :D
They should knock them all down.
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 11 Feb 2014 14:47 #464

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andyh wrote:
Because of the complete lack of evidence of such weaponry.
You're always left with occams razor basically.

What lack of evidence :conf:

Scaled-down weapons exist now, and are being routinely used on the battlefield.
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 11 Feb 2014 14:49 #465

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SilvaRizla wrote:
andyh wrote:
Because of the complete lack of evidence of such weaponry.
You're always left with occams razor basically.

What lack of evidence :conf:

Scaled-down weapons exist now, and are being routinely used on the battlefield.

Show me a weapon that can turn the WTC into dust in seconds from the top down.

On the other hand I have proof that thermite can cut through core columns and gravity can do the rest, simples.

So occams razor gives likelihood to the latter.
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 11 Feb 2014 14:52 #466

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andyh wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
andyh wrote:
Because of the complete lack of evidence of such weaponry.
You're always left with occams razor basically.

What lack of evidence :conf:

Scaled-down weapons exist now, and are being routinely used on the battlefield.

Show me a weapon that can turn the WTC into dust in seconds from the top down.

On the other hand I have proof that thermite can cut through core columns and gravity can do the rest, simples.

So occams razor gives likelihood to the latter.

Show you a top secret classified weapon? I can't do that. I can show you a scaled down version that uses the same technology if you like?

The "ballistics" signature of said weapon has been found and documented.
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 11 Feb 2014 14:53 #467

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SilvaRizla wrote:
andyh wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
andyh wrote:
Because of the complete lack of evidence of such weaponry.
You're always left with occams razor basically.

What lack of evidence :conf:

Scaled-down weapons exist now, and are being routinely used on the battlefield.

Show me a weapon that can turn the WTC into dust in seconds from the top down.

On the other hand I have proof that thermite can cut through core columns and gravity can do the rest, simples.

So occams razor gives likelihood to the latter.

Show you a top secret classified weapon? I can't do that. I can show you a scaled down version that uses the same technology if you like?

The "ballistics" signature of said weapon has been found and documented.

Like I said, I have proof of something that can work, you merely have a theory. Do you see where this is going :)
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 11 Feb 2014 15:38 #468

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andyh wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
andyh wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
andyh wrote:
Because of the complete lack of evidence of such weaponry.
You're always left with occams razor basically.

What lack of evidence :conf:

Scaled-down weapons exist now, and are being routinely used on the battlefield.

Show me a weapon that can turn the WTC into dust in seconds from the top down.

On the other hand I have proof that thermite can cut through core columns and gravity can do the rest, simples.

So occams razor gives likelihood to the latter.

Show you a top secret classified weapon? I can't do that. I can show you a scaled down version that uses the same technology if you like?

The "ballistics" signature of said weapon has been found and documented.

Like I said, I have proof of something that can work, you merely have a theory. Do you see where this is going :)

I can show you how resonance completely destroyed a 6,000ft bridge if you like?

I don't see what is so different about your back yard small scale test. Its called proof of concept, and its something I can show you if you want to see it.
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 11 Feb 2014 15:41 #469

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SilvaRizla wrote:
andyh wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
andyh wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
andyh wrote:
Because of the complete lack of evidence of such weaponry.
You're always left with occams razor basically.

What lack of evidence :conf:

Scaled-down weapons exist now, and are being routinely used on the battlefield.

Show me a weapon that can turn the WTC into dust in seconds from the top down.

On the other hand I have proof that thermite can cut through core columns and gravity can do the rest, simples.

So occams razor gives likelihood to the latter.

Show you a top secret classified weapon? I can't do that. I can show you a scaled down version that uses the same technology if you like?

The "ballistics" signature of said weapon has been found and documented.

Like I said, I have proof of something that can work, you merely have a theory. Do you see where this is going :)

I can show you how resonance completely destroyed a 6,000ft bridge if you like?

I don't see what is so different about your back yard small scale test. Its called proof of concept, and its something I can show you if you want to see it.

I know of acoustic resonance to destroy a bridge, seen it done.
However...it won't pulverise it into tiny pieces, nor will it do it from the top down.

So I need a specific example of something that can pulverise the WTC from the top down at freefall speed :)
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 11 Feb 2014 15:45 #470

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andyh wrote:
So I need a specific example of something that can pulverise the WTC from the top down at freefall speed :)

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andyh wrote:

I know of acoustic resonance to destroy a bridge, seen it done.
However...it won't pulverise it into tiny pieces, nor will it do it from the top down.

So I need a specific example of something that can pulverise the WTC from the top down at freefall speed :)

Well I can't show you that, but then again, your backyard proof of concept doesn't show that either.
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 11 Feb 2014 15:56 #472

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andyh wrote:
So I need a specific example of something that can pulverise the WTC from the top down at freefall speed :)

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HAHAHAAAA!!!

:killinme: :killinme: Oh jesus lol :p
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 11 Feb 2014 16:00 #473

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@spcacebandit.
I've just copied your last post to me, as the whole post between us was getting awfully long'
''If a plane is able to penetrate the building anyway there is no reason why some of it couldn't come out of the other side.... especially given the speed & large mass involved..... plus, whatever is ejected from the building is propelled by an explosive force.
So if this was a cartoon error, you'd expect the nose of the plane to remain a constant shape and at a constant trajectory, yet it doesn't, and you can see this in the final frames here as its trajectory is altered by the blast from inside the building. I know there's more stuff in the September Clues vid which I must say is quite convincing, but it's been shredded to bits & everything in it has been explained away logically & rationally.''


Bold added to ''you'd expect the nose of the plane to remain a constant shape and at a constant trajectory''
I'm saying that there was no plane, it's CGI, it's an error by the technicians, they mistimed their footage on the original broadcasts, so they needed to try and cover this up by creating aeroplane shaped debris as a graphic patch/smear.



How does flaming debris or bits of debris create a singular shadow?
This is where my bottom line would be if it existed.
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 11 Feb 2014 16:06 #474

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oioioi wrote:
Wub, I tend to stick to WTC7 too when discussing 9/11 for the reasons laid out in this thread!

It's the one building that wasn't hit and therefore defies logic that it collapsed as did the twin towers due to aviation fuel etc.

I have been kicked off a forum before for sticking to this point when the site owner insisted that WTC7 was designed in such a way that as a safety precaution it was constructed with one central column which if compromised brings the whole building down. The laughable notion that this was a safety factor was all he had.

John Kerry admits WTC7 was demolished in a controlled fashion.

This is where my bottom line would be if it existed.
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 11 Feb 2014 16:11 #475

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Blue_Tackler wrote:

John Kerry admits WTC7 was demolished in a controlled fashion.

But a different method was used for the twin towers, why?
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 11 Feb 2014 16:16 #476

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@spcacebandit.
I've just copied your last post to me, as the whole post between us was getting awfully long'
''If a plane is able to penetrate the building anyway there is no reason why some of it couldn't come out of the other side.... especially given the speed & large mass involved..... plus, whatever is ejected from the building is propelled by an explosive force.
So if this was a cartoon error, you'd expect the nose of the plane to remain a constant shape and at a constant trajectory, yet it doesn't, and you can see this in the final frames here as its trajectory is altered by the blast from inside the building. I know there's more stuff in the September Clues vid which I must say is quite convincing, but it's been shredded to bits & everything in it has been explained away logically & rationally.''


Bold added to ''you'd expect the nose of the plane to remain a constant shape and at a constant trajectory''
I'm saying that there was no plane, it's CGI, it's an error by the technicians, they mistimed their footage on the original broadcasts, so they needed to try and cover this up by creating aeroplane shaped debris as a graphic patch/smear.



How does flaming debris or bits of debris create a singular shadow?

If the plane is CGI then why is it changing shape & trajectory is the point.
It should surely remain constant.

I've no idea what the shadow thing is about.... but I've also seen it postulated that images of Bin Laden have been inserted into the flames.
I do hope we're not going down that path! :D
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 11 Feb 2014 16:29 #477

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For interests sake heres a building taken apart manually, the P&O building in London from the bottom up.
As we can see, the core remains in place.

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@spacebandit

I've cropped this image of the 'plane front entering the WTC' as per the official story.

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And 'leaving'

I don't see any uplift, to me it's meant to be a plane, the debris would have been smashed up if the plane was smashing steel and reinforced concrete, I doubt the debris would have popped out of a forced hole in the construction in a plane shaped form, it would be likely if the towers were made or a soft material such as marshmallow for the debris to pop out in the shape of the form that hit it, but in a brisk hard building the debris would have surely scattered in the building and not collect together to form a steel busting plane shaped kinetic energy enhanced projectile.
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oioioi wrote:
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John Kerry admits WTC7 was demolished in a controlled fashion.

But a different method was used for the twin towers, why?

A demolition in the traditional way to the twin towers would have likely damaged the man made basin wall of the Hudson river, causing a huge flood in NY.
This is where my bottom line would be if it existed.
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Then why not use the same method as the twin towers for wtc7?
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