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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 12 Feb 2014 10:32 #501

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SilvaRizla wrote:
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Let me get this straight....

You take a cloned "drone" aircraft, have it hologram itself just incase nobody believes its real, and then just for shits and giggles do some cgi on the collision footage because it won't do as it is?

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1) you want oil, war, control, wealth.
2) 4 drone craft are worth this
3) it's not really a hologram that I'm proposing, I showed you a clip of the material that even Mercedes are using.(can disguise clone as other aircraft to a degree)
4) The CGI is their to fool the public perception afterwards, the drones disguise it tidied up on the news reels
5) If what you're suggesting is too unreal to bother with, why would the US even bother making up a false flag, you'd be as well saying that the whole 9/11 is as the official narrative. :ownd:

owned? Hardly :roll:

What I'm saying is that what you're suggesting is proposterous. The scope for fuck-up (and hence disclosure) is monumental. What if the cloaking device failed? * Why go to all this trouble when there's a cheaper, safer, perfectly doable alternative?

Crash a real plane into a building. Simple.

1)* You do I hope realize that it's Americans that we're dealing with?
2) Real planes would have been too difficult to control at such speeds and altitudes.
3) It has fucked up, the Newtonian physics don't agree.
4) Many people say that what you propose IE DEW is proposterous, therefore do claims of 'proposterous theory' = debunked theory?

edit The cloaking rubber that I showed you would only need to work for a few seconds.
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 12 Feb 2014 10:37 #502

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Blue_Tackler wrote:
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owned? Hardly :roll:

What I'm saying is that what you're suggesting is proposterous. The scope for fuck-up (and hence disclosure) is monumental. What if the cloaking device failed? * Why go to all this trouble when there's a cheaper, safer, perfectly doable alternative?

Crash a real plane into a building. Simple.

1)* You do I hope realize that it's Americans that we're dealing with?
2) Real planes would have been too difficult to control at such speeds and altitudes.
3) It has fucked up, the Newtonian physics don't agree.
4) Many people say that with you propose IE DEW is preposterous, therefore do claims of 'preposterous theory' = debunked theory?

1) Redundant.
2) GPS triggered events fed to an autopilot system that can make thousands of tiny adjustments a second could easily handle the task.
3) Lies
4) Strawman. DEW was needed to prevent huge flood and divert hurricane. No other suitable method available. Real planes are perfectly suitable.

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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 12 Feb 2014 10:37 #503

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ask yourself why james fetzer got invited to belinda mckenzie's highgate house and why dr judy wood has never been invited? if you are not aware of mckenzie she is the woman who took in shayler and machon when they were suposedly homeless...her house is the meeting place for various disinfo 911 speakers like Gage,Harrit,Henshall and co...

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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 12 Feb 2014 10:45 #504

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SilvaRizla wrote:
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owned? Hardly :roll:

What I'm saying is that what you're suggesting is proposterous. The scope for fuck-up (and hence disclosure) is monumental. What if the cloaking device failed? * Why go to all this trouble when there's a cheaper, safer, perfectly doable alternative?

Crash a real plane into a building. Simple.

1)* You do I hope realize that it's Americans that we're dealing with?
2) Real planes would have been too difficult to control at such speeds and altitudes.
3) It has fucked up, the Newtonian physics don't agree.
4) Many people say that with you propose IE DEW is preposterous, therefore do claims of 'preposterous theory' = debunked theory?

1) Redundant.
2) GPS triggered events fed to an autopilot system that can make thousands of tiny adjustments a second could easily handle the task.
3) Lies
4) Strawman. DEW was needed to prevent huge flood and divert hurricane. No other suitable method available. Real planes are perfectly suitable.

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1) not
2) GPs and autopilot were 'turned off' as autopilot was set during 'take off'
3) not lies
4) You use the term preposterous, when the same term is used by others about DEW, so 'preposterous' is being used to suit.

As for the Newtonian physics it's explained here for the unlearned. @2:40


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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 12 Feb 2014 10:51 #505

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Blue_Tackler wrote:
1)* You do I hope realize that it's Americans that we're dealing with?

Hahahaaa!!!

Man when I saw that I just couldn't stop fuggin laughing :killinme: :killinme: :killinme:
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 12 Feb 2014 10:53 #506

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Blue_Tackler wrote:

1) not :facepalm:
2) GPs and autopilot were 'turned off' as autopilot was set during 'take off' :facepalm:
3) not lies :facepalm:
4) You use the term preposterous, when the same term is used by others about DEW, so 'preposterous' is being used to suit. :facepalm:

As for the Newtonian physics it's explained here for the unlearned. @2:40


edit :ownd:

:facepalm:

Autopilot was turned off yes. On the actual planes before they landed elsewhere and were replaced with autopilot-driven clones.

We're gonna go round in circles here as you struggle to hold on to belief in the face of evidence. I'm out.

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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 12 Feb 2014 11:04 #507

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SilvaRizla wrote:
Blue_Tackler wrote:

1) not :facepalm:
2) GPs and autopilot were 'turned off' as autopilot was set during 'take off' :facepalm:
3) not lies :facepalm:
4) You use the term preposterous, when the same term is used by others about DEW, so 'preposterous' is being used to suit. :facepalm:

As for the Newtonian physics it's explained here for the unlearned. @2:40


edit :ownd:

:facepalm:

Autopilot was turned off yes. On the actual planes before they landed elsewhere and were replaced with autopilot-driven clones.

We're gonna go round in circles here as you struggle to hold on to belief in the face of evidence. I'm out.

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Your strawman has lost perspective.
In the official story the 'autopilot was turned off' thus the planes were being manually flown at 500mph + by novices at 700ft, lol.

That's the reason I'm telling you that it would be more practical for a 'false flag' if that's what we agree that this is? To substitute Boeings for easier to maneuver drones, with a disguise and simply edit the news reels.

otherwise you'd be as well accepting the official narrative because why destroy WTC buildings when they could have just flown one plane into the Pentagon.
As soon as you start 'why this or why that' then why bother with any of it, the US 'elite' could have simply planted a bomb in a military facility or a tube station as a false flag.
Anything else would be preposterous?

I hope you see what's being said here SilvaRizla, when we go to preposterous the whole event, what ever way you chose to select to view it and what evidence you agree or disagree with, the whole thing is preposterous, so why select my proposals as any more preposterous than any other?

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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 12 Feb 2014 11:06 #508

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ask yourself why james fetzer got invited to belinda mckenzie's highgate house and why dr judy wood has never been invited? if you are not aware of mckenzie she is the woman who took in shayler and machon when they were suposedly homeless...her house is the meeting place for various disinfo 911 speakers like Gage,Harrit,Henshall and co...


oh forgot to add tony gosling also invited to Highgate...uk 911 forum mod
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John Lear's No Plane Affidavit 12 Feb 2014 13:44 #509

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@spacebandit you'll find your 'plane piece' photo discussed in this document . John Lear's No Plane Affidavit >>>>Here morganreynolds.files.wordpress.com/2012/..._94affidavitlear.pdf Is the link with the photos.

edited by BT as the post was too long, the whole post was a paste from the webpage above so it's still accessible there :arrowup:
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 12 Feb 2014 17:13 #510

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Yes the shadow is put on, now let's get this straight spacebandit, who are 'we' to decide where the lies start and end, an awful lot of people suspect the official story not to be the truth.
Of course if they're going to have CGI aircraft they need to put on shadows, what I'm saying is after an error was made by technicians they had to smear the error to try and make it look like debris.
Now this might not make sense to you, to me it makes sense, debris in a building would not collect into an isolated group and use kinetic energy, yes the very same kinetic energy that would have expired as 'it was used to permit an aircraft' to glide through steel and reinforced concrete, the debris from such an impact would not then regroup to form a projectile type shape and reuse the kinetic energy 'once again' to penetrate the reinforced concrete/steel frame again!

Unless you are willing to believe what's in bold font in the above paragraph then the continuation of this discussion between us is pointless.

So once this technical error had been made with the CGI, it was then given a shadow for the sun
'otherwise' it would stand out as CGI.

The problem that is still unsolved is now that the 'plane' is now 'debris' how would the sun cast a singular shadow of debris across the front of the building if it's meant to be bits of debris 'popping through'.

Edit. drones full of explosives were flown in, hence easy penetration, the rest is CGI.

We cannot judge where the lies start or end. We can only use processes of elimination to reach conclusions.
Now, where is the evidence that this shadow is cgi? Are you saying that all the wreckage & stuff was all planted? As I've demonstrated with the available evidence, it's perfectly feesable that it is part of the plane exiting the building, and there is evidence to suggest that it is the right engine of the plane. What makes you think a 5 ton engine @ 400mph wouldn't be able to do that? It's a steel frame remember not just all steel. The facade of the building is aluminum iirc.
There's zero credible evidence to suggest that it's all cgi & all the wreckage is planted. It's all speculation & more than likely someone at home creating "facts" out of digital artifacts, or worse, somebody deliberately trying to discredit the movement to find out the truth by making it sound completely implausible. It just goes from the sublime to the ridiculous imo & it's at this point where the conspiracy starts to involve a considerable amount more people. Who are they? Why have none come forward by now?
It's gone from "inside job" to "weapons we don't know exist" and "computer generated planes".
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 12 Feb 2014 18:03 #511

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We cannot judge where the lies start or end. We can only use processes of elimination to reach conclusions.
Now, where is the evidence that this shadow is cgi? Are you saying that all the wreckage & stuff was all planted? As I've demonstrated with the available evidence, it's perfectly feesable that it is part of the plane exiting the building, and there is evidence to suggest that it is the right engine of the plane. What makes you think a 5 ton engine @ 400mph wouldn't be able to do that? It's a steel frame remember not just all steel. The facade of the building is aluminum iirc.
There's zero credible evidence to suggest that it's all cgi & all the wreckage is planted. It's all speculation & more than likely someone at home creating "facts" out of digital artifacts, or worse, somebody deliberately trying to discredit the movement to find out the truth by making it sound completely implausible. It just goes from the sublime to the ridiculous imo & it's at this point where the conspiracy starts to involve a considerable amount more people. Who are they? Why have none come forward by now?
It's gone from "inside job" to "weapons we don't know exist" and "computer generated planes

Now Mr.... I want to assure you that I'm not posting this as a wind up, or wish to annoy you or disrupt your posts, or wish to make your posts seem 'unrealistic' that is not my intent, and I assume not yours.
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If 'we' are going to either accept the events of WTC 9/11 as the official narrative or not is an issue, if you accept the official version then ok, no argument from me, you accept as you please. :thumbup:

However if you do not accept the official version than you have, entered the perception of lies, I guess you know what that means without explanation.

So 'we' could have lies or truth, I hope you'd agree.... so if its true then Bin Laden & Co are responsible.
If untrue anyone or anything is plausible because if you don't know the truth how do you know what is untrue.
it's basic philosophy. (yes I'm a bit drunk and wasted :spliff: )
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 12 Feb 2014 18:17 #512

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The only ones who accept the official version of events would have to be complete right wing fruitloop racists.
We've had the odd one or two join off DIF but SB definitely doesn't fall into that category :)

Its more a case of LIHOP than MIHOP.
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 12 Feb 2014 18:38 #513

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So if we agree that the official narrative is BS, then we are now all speculating about the 'truth' So some posters perhaps on other forum or this forum IDK but quite a lot agree with Mr Gage etc... the thermite theory/evidence.

Then we have the Dr Wood (followed by Andrew Johnson) and our own Mr SiilvaRizla ( and myself) (who may not agree with all of Johnson or Reynolds) and then there are the ''no planers' Like ME Reynolds. Johnson, Lear.

TBH once the Official story has been debunked, it's only a matter of process for the debunking to continue.

My basic understanding is that the towers went down via Dr Wood's 'conclusion' for the want of a better term.

Dr Wood is an expert in structural engineering and it's reactions to influences.

Dr Wood know not so much about aircraft, she keeps her output generally about engineering.

With regards to the aeroplanes I'd guess go to Pilots for truth/ ... or John Lear an ex pilot, IDK what else to say, do what you want and good luck :thumbup:
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 12 Feb 2014 19:27 #514

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Blue_Tackler wrote:
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WtcUA175debris



So it's clearly not impossible that it is part of the a plane.

Possibly but we don't know
A) What plane?
B) How it got there?

You do know that a false flag event is.... ''blaming others'' ... So evidence would likely be planted as well as narrative created.

Otherwise you'd be as well believing that wild tale of 'a man who lives is a cave, whose religious beliefs opposes the attack to innocent women and children, got some men to hijack (by use of box cutters) & fly planes at nearly uncontrollable speeds, with the autopilot and computer navigation systems turned off, into buildings, only for us then to gain knowledge that some of them 'hijackers' are still alive.

What you've shown in that picture is the evidence of why you're meant to believe that narrative.

''September 28, 2001: Bin Laden Again Denies Involvement in 9/11 Attacks
Osama bin Laden denies his involvement in the 9/11 attacks. In an interview with the Daily Ummat, a Pakistani newspaper, he says: “I have already said that I am not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States (see September 16, 2001). As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other human beings as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children, and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of battle.… The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the US system but are dissenting against it'' www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a092801osamadenial

You see spacebandit, if you're going to believe the false flag evidence you're as well simply believing the official narrative, even though most people who use their own brains see through it.

I've never mentioned believing the official narrative, although I will give it a very very slender chance. I'm 99% certain the whole thing was carried out by some faction within the military industrial complex in pursuit of profit, & I strongly suspect Bandar Bin Sultan to be involved.
BUT I won't just blindly believe any old conspiracy theory about it since so much of it has been proven to be false.... and many of the people in the movement have been proved to have been wrong about quite a bit of stuff they were convinced was true. (pilots for 9/11 truth, AE911 etc)
The key to it is not to look to reaffirm your beliefs about what happened, but to look for everything that disputes and discounts your belief. Once you've done that you will find there's a lot left to look at! This is why I got bored of looking into it a couple of years ago & haven't really bothered again until this thread, & I've forgotten a lot of it now anyway. It's constant blind alleys & dead ends.
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SilvaRizla wrote:
The scope for fuck-up (and hence disclosure) is monumental. What if the cloaking device failed? Why go to all this trouble when there's a cheaper, safer, perfectly doable alternative?

Crash a real plane into a building. Simple.

Precisely.
I don't see the advantage of using cgi/holograms at all.
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John Lear.... ace pilot.
What are his qualifications in crash dynamics?
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 12 Feb 2014 20:02 #517

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Is it probable that the 767-200 can make 560mph at sea level?

It is highly probable that AA11 and UA175 could easily make the airspeeds quoted in the official reports and as seen in the video footage. Here is a summation of the facts;

1. The aircraft were seen to make those airspeeds on September 11, 2001. This has never been questioned by any peer reviewed paper or team of experts, so it stands as fact.
2. The aircraft were well within their structural limit of .86 Mach by a margin of .12 Mach or approximately 14%; flying at maximum of reported speed of .74 Mach.
3. The simulator test carried out on an actual certified Full Flight Simulator (the best available), in a fully accredited pilot certification facility, showed that the 767 aircraft can reach an airspeed of .86 Mach in a flat trajectory at approximate sea level. It was also shown that .89 Mach could be achieved in a similar shallow dive as seen made by AA11 and UA175 on 9/11. These results show far greater speeds possible than the required official airspeed of 560mph or .74 Mach by some 16% at the minimum and 20% if the actual flight conditions were simulated in a shallow dive.
4. Considering the large margins demonstrated here, we can now conclude that the “Impossible Airspeed” stated by John Lear et al. is false.

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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 13 Feb 2014 08:41 #518

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Space Bandit wrote:
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The scope for fuck-up (and hence disclosure) is monumental. What if the cloaking device failed? Why go to all this trouble when there's a cheaper, safer, perfectly doable alternative?

Crash a real plane into a building. Simple.

Precisely.
I don't see the advantage of using cgi/holograms at all.

Ok here it is.

It's a lot easier to control a smaller aircraft at those speeds at those altitudes.

That :arrowup: is an advantage of using CGI and the aforementioned rubber cloak material (or something else) to distort the 'drones' that are later to be CGI'd into Boeings on the news reels.

Of course I can't make you believe that, but it is the 'advantage' so the advantage does exist even if not proved.

What I've been proposing about this theory is not that I believe it as 100% absolute fact, I only propose that if 'truth seekers' (for the want of a better term) chose to react positively to Dr Woods proposal that DEW was used, we could use your sentence .... ''John Lear.... ace pilot.
What are his qualifications in crash dynamics? '' and apply to Dr Wood. What qualifications does Dr Wood have about DEW's? or weather manipulation? both of which she uses in her proposals.

So then when we look a little deeper we see that Dr Wood with regards to DEW she is relying on the unqualified John Hutchinson and guesses about weather manipulation.

So John Lear is a qualified and experienced airline pilot veteran John Hutchinson is a 'energy coil/generator controller'?

I know what you mean about the possibility of the planes being controlled, but by novices with the autopilot GPS turned off, it's some feat.

The point here is that if were going to have a thread based on Dr HutchinsonWood then I can't see why, once we've(posters) have gone down that path, why it's now such a huge leap to suggest that in the case of Dr Woods proposals, she herself appears to believe in the 'no planes' theory, there is video evidence of her questioning how the 'tips' of the wings went through steel, and she is a qualified engineer, so if you take John Lear's evidence and combine it with Dr Woods theory a case could be made that its 'unlikely' to be true but then a case could be made that it's more practical for a 'false flag' to have easier to control aircraft rather than Boeings.

What we have to do is to put ourselves in the place of the perpetrators, so we decide that we're going to have a false flag event where the WTC and Pentagon are attacked by Kamikaze pilots.

Firstly imo we need to think about this spacebandit, why do that? to create panic or false flags for war mongering, why WTC, why not just the Pentagon? Why not just a bomb in a tube station or subway, shopping mall, the only answer that I can think of is for visual effect.

So if 'visual effect' is the reason that the twin towers were selected as targets for false flagging, then we have already gone into the realms of 'spectacular vision'.
Once we establish that 'spectacular vision' is the reason for the target selection then we realise that if Dr Wood's proposals with regards to the going away of the towers are true, we then see that that is only one part of the event.
Prior to the going away of the towers, we had the 'strikes'.
So if these strikes were not done by the official version 'Islamic kamikaze pilots' then who?

What is important now spacebandit is that it's quite easy, not hard at all, to make drones do that job, all that would need to occur prior to Dr Wood's proposals of DEW, is that 'drones' are covered in the rubber material/or something else, an image can then be projected onto the drones, enough to fool 'observers' they hope, however there is plenty of footage of witnesses on YouTube and the general internet where witnesses say it's not a commercial jet, it's smaller and black/grey.
So the disguise appears not to have worked as well as hoped.

If you chose not to believe John Lear in relation to structural engineering/crash dynamics, because he's not qualified then that's good for you, however I think his information is relevant about the controllability of those planes at those speeds at those altitudes and that the 'recovered' engine was not the engines that Boeing were using on those aircraft at that time.

Why would John Lear say such a thing, if then his entire information could be debunked on the fact that he'd made that up.

TBH I'm still very dubious about the whole kinetic energy thing when the planes fly through steel, did you see the footage that I posted a few posts back, when I think it was a B52 had struck the Empire State Building, that plane was mangled, some of it penetrated the building, but it mainly got crumpled and quite a lot of it fell onto the street below.

So how come kinetic energy helps Boeings to fly with apparent easy through WTC towers but kinetic energy does not permit a B52 to glide through the Empire State Building with the same apparent ease?
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 13 Feb 2014 08:59 #519

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Aeroplane hits Empire State Building. @ 2:40 onwards.
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i do believe the icke mods are getting worried by the dr judy wood supporters re 911 13 Feb 2014 12:49 #520

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@spacebandit I have pasted this from the pilotsfor9/11truth website, as follows


''There are some seemingly contradicting statements especially about the flight speed of UA175.

John Lear: Flight speed impossible at an altitude of 300m.
John Bursill: Flight speed possible at least for the airplanes. (John Bursill at 911bloggers)
and
Dave Bottiglia (Boston flight control) thought he lost the plane because of the rate of climb (3000ft/min during a sharp left turn) and the rate of descent (10000ft/min).


My estimation partially corrected by the very careful work of femr2:

UA175 (last 12 seconds) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClDtwOR-3wQ av. speed in 3D space against wind = 588.8 mph av. horizontal speed in the air = 583 mph av. speed over ground = 568 mph final banking = 37° descent rate -12sec = 50m/s (confirms D. Bottiglia 10000ft/min) during the last 9 seconds the plane turned for a little more than 10° to the left and leveled into an angle of about 3.5° lateral (towards the east wall of WTC2) and 3° vertical AA11 (last 1.2 seconds) [video about the analysis here] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OtrdIl1ijo av. speed over ground and with the wind = 496 mph (so the speed in the air was about 474 mph) banking = 25° approx. angle vertical = 4.5° downwards approx. angle lateral = 0° The cockpit of AA11 hit the middle column of the north face. (NIST prefer to show just the outline of the plane.) I conclude that neither Lear nor Bursill nor Bottiglia heard about that speed of a commercial airliner at that altitude prior to 9/11. I conclude that no inexperienced Flight Trainer trainee could have expected to reach the goal of the mission by flying that way. I conclude that speed and precision wasn't just luck or done by accident because at least 3 planes did it and reached the goal.'' https://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t17865.html I've added the analysis video links because the links did not work when pasted so I linked them again from the above website. :thumbup:[video about the analysis here]
av. speed in 3D space against wind = 588.8 mph
av. horizontal speed in the air = 583 mph
av. speed over ground = 568 mph
final banking = 37°
descent rate -12sec = 50m/s (confirms D. Bottiglia 10000ft/min)
during the last 9 seconds the plane turned for a little more than 10° to the left and leveled into an angle of about 3.5° lateral (towards the east wall of WTC2) and 3° vertical

AA11 (last 1.2 seconds) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OtrdIl1ijo av. speed over ground and with the wind = 496 mph (so the speed in the air was about 474 mph) banking = 25° approx. angle vertical = 4.5° downwards approx. angle lateral = 0° The cockpit of AA11 hit the middle column of the north face. (NIST prefer to show just the outline of the plane.) I conclude that neither Lear nor Bursill nor Bottiglia heard about that speed of a commercial airliner at that altitude prior to 9/11. I conclude that no inexperienced Flight Trainer trainee could have expected to reach the goal of the mission by flying that way. I conclude that speed and precision wasn't just luck or done by accident because at least 3 planes did it and reached the goal.'' https://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t17865.html I've added the analysis video links because the links did not work when pasted so I linked them again from the above website. :thumbup:[video about the analysis here]
av. speed over ground and with the wind = 496 mph (so the speed in the air was about 474 mph)
banking = 25°
approx. angle vertical = 4.5° downwards
approx. angle lateral = 0°

The cockpit of AA11 hit the middle column of the north face. (NIST prefer to show just the outline of the plane.)


I conclude that neither Lear nor Bursill nor Bottiglia heard about that speed of a commercial airliner at that altitude prior to 9/11.
I conclude that no inexperienced Flight Trainer trainee could have expected to reach the goal of the mission by flying that way.
I conclude that speed and precision wasn't just luck or done by accident because at least 3 planes did it and reached the goal.''
pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t17865.html

I've added the analysis video links because the links did not work when pasted so I linked them again from the above website. :thumbup:
This is where my bottom line would be if it existed.
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