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Sufism 07 Sep 2012 08:56 #1

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I'm not a religious chap - I don't believe there is a beardy white dude sat on a cloud dishing out the cuddles and thunder bolts in equal measure - but I do believe that at the core of all religion is a message of love and oneness. For what it's worth I think that religion has become poisoned by individual egos (fat blokes that can't get any and like rules as a tool of oppression) and has just become a cult of rules designed to keep followers looking down and taking care not to do wrong in the eyes of their leaders.

Personally I believe in love and I know that it is the greatest tool we have to help develop ourselves and those we come into contact with. With this in mind I decided to have a look at the more 'mystical' side of faiths.
First stop, Sufism.

Has anyone looked into or considered Sufism as a movement worth studying?

I bought a book (with words and everything!) on Sufism by Idires Shah a couple of weeks back and I'm finding it a tad confusing. You read a few pages telling you what Sufism isn't and then a few pages late it's telling you that Sufism is what it told you it isn't a few pages back.

Anyway, this isn't about my struggle with words and interpretation.

I would love to hear any thoughts or experiences forum members have had regarding Sufism.

Thanks

Gary :)
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Re: Sufism 07 Sep 2012 14:30 #2

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Sorry mate. Not something I've ever looked into.

But I would like to clarify that I know for a fact there is a beardy bloke in West London giving out hugs. He doesn't even bother with the smiting stuff, so much either.

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Re: Sufism 08 Sep 2012 10:48 #3

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hugorune wrote:
..... Personally I believe in love.....)

G'day Hugorune.

Would that make life (L.I.F.E.) Love In Form Evolving to you ? ;)

Sufism isn't a religion that I've looked into.
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Re: Sufism 08 Sep 2012 12:16 #4

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This book is from 1910 and may provide some information which will interest you.

MYSTICS AND SAINTS OF ISLAM
By Claud Field
eBook Sources: https://www.gutenberg.org for other eBook formats such as Kindle and iPads etc. visit booksshouldbefree.com.
PREFACE

It is a custom in some quarters to represent Mohammadan mysticism as merely a late importation into Islam, and an altogether alien element in it. But however much later Islamic mysticism may have derived from Christian, Neo-platonic, and Buddhist sources, there is little doubt that the roots of mysticism are to be found in the Koran itself. The following verse is an instance: "God is the Light of the heavens and the earth. His light is like a niche in which is a lamp, the lamp encased in glass—the glass as it were a glistening star. From a blessed tree is it lighted, the olive neither of the East nor of the West, whose oil would well nigh shine out even though fire touched it not! It is light upon light!" (Koran Sura 24).

Indeed it seems strange to accord the title of "a practical mystic" to Cromwell and to deny it to Mohammad, whose proclivity for religious meditation was so strong that the Arabs used to say "Muhammad is in love with his Maker," and whose sense of the "terror of the Lord" was so intense that it turned his hair prematurely white. Many of the reported sayings of the Early Companions of Muhammad show that they shared this terror. "Verily, you shall see hell, you shall see it with the eye of certainty" says the Koran, and they thought it very probable. Thus Ali exclaimed "Alas for the shortness of the provision viii and the terrors of the way!" Abu'l Darda said "If ye knew what ye shall see after death, ye would not eat nor drink, and I wish that I were a tree that is lopped and then devoured."

This "fear of the Lord" led naturally to an almost fierce asceticism. Abu Bekr and Ali both founded communities of ascetics, and during the first and second centuries of Islam there were many orthodox mystics. Professor Nicholson in the work just quoted, rightly says "I do not think that we need look beyond Islam for the origin of the Sufi doctrines.... The early Sufis are still on orthodox ground, their relation to Islam is not unlike that of the mediæval Spanish mystics to the Roman Catholic Church."
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Re: Sufism 08 Sep 2012 12:31 #5

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i try not to believe in anything that involves stupid hats. popes, bishops, muslims, cops, jews, amish.
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Re: Sufism 25 Sep 2012 10:41 #6

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Thanks for the replys.

The book was mighty confusing. Too confusing for this son of Slough.

I'd always thought that Sufism pre-dated Islam (hence my interest) but opinion seems to say it came after. I think I'll put it on the back burner for now and stick with believing in myself and love.

And Godzilla, of course.
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The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you.. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!
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The wall? The Mosque? The Sepulchre? Who has claim? No one has claim. ..



Templars settle in London and begin building the New Temple Church...

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Re: Sufism 17 Mar 2013 05:33 #9

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hugorune wrote:
I'd always thought that Sufism pre-dated Islam (hence my interest) but opinion seems to say it came after. I think I'll put it on the back burner for now and stick with believing in myself and love...And Godzilla, of course...



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Sufism 19 Mar 2013 05:44 #10

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Ali Baba Goes to Town is a 1937 movie..Aloysius "Al" Babson, walks into the camp of a movie company that is making the Arabian Nights. He falls asleep and dreams he is in Baghdad as an advisor to the Sultan ... He organizes work programs, taxes the rich, and abolishes the army, in a spoof of Roosevelt's New Deal..The cast also includes Gypsy Rose Lee, using the stage name of Louise Hovick, as the Sultana. The Raymond Scott Quintette also appears, performing "Twilight In Turkey..."


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The name Su is of Chinese origin..The meaning of Su is "plain, respected"...fi (fi) a common typographical ligature..In writing and typography, a ligature occurs where two or more graphemes or letters are joined as a single glyph...

S is the nineteenth (19th) letter in the ISO basic Latin alphabet..


U is the twenty-first (21st )letter in the ISO basic Latin alphabet...

= 40 is an octagonal number, and as the sum of the first four pentagonal numbers, it is a pentagonal pyramidal number. Adding up some subsets of its divisors (e.g., 1, 4, 5, 10 and 20) gives 40, hence 40 is a semiperfect number...The atomic number of zirconium...The planet Venus forms a pentagram in the night sky every 8 years with it returning to its original point every 40 years with a 40 day regression (some scholars believe that this ancient information was the basis for the number 40 becoming sacred to Jews, Christians, and Muslims)...Messier object M40, a magnitude 9.0 double star in the constellation Ursa Major...Goliath challenged the Israelites 2 times a day for 40 days before David defeated him...One of the prerequisites for a man to study Kabbalah is that he is 40 years old..Muhammad was 40 years old when he first received the revelation delivered by the archangel Gabriel...Enki or Enkil (Sumerian: dEN.KI(G) is a god in Sumerian mythology, Beginning around the 2nd millennium BCE, he was sometimes referred to in writing by the numeric ideogram for "40," occasionally referred to as his "sacred number"..To understand a people, you must live among them for 40 days. ~Arabic proverb...

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The lexical root of Sufi is variously traced to صُوف, ṣūf "wool"... :sheeps: :sheeps: :sheeps:



In most theories of linguistics, human languages are thought to consist of two parts: a lexicon, essentially a catalogue of a given language's words (its wordstock), and a grammar, a system of rules which allow for the combination of those words into meaningful sentences...

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“silence is the language of god,all else is poor translation.”― Rumi...

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