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Tom Watson links unnamed Former Prime Minister to Paedophile Ring

www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/nov/03/jimmy-savile-case-inquiry
Savile case inquiry may have to deal with seven forces






Jimmy Savile case may lead to inquiry against seven forces


The Observer, Saturday 3 November 2012 22.20 GMT

Jimmy Savile
Former DJ and TV star Jimmy Savile: 'a risk-taker' who surrounded himself with dubious characters. Photograph: Murdo Macleod

Several police forces could be investigated over their handling of sexual abuse allegations against Jimmy Savile after the police watchdog confirmed that an inquiry was a possibility and a lawyer representing alleged victims said there were urgent questions to be answered.

Alan Collins, a solicitor at the law firm Pannone, who is representing five of Savile's alleged victims and has been approached by at least 20 others, said the case for the police to be investigated had become paramount. Collins said it should be the job of Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary (HMIC), the independent body set up to assess police forces, to investigate how and when officers had investigated Savile.

"There should be an independent investigation into the decisions that were made," Collins said. "There are key questions about what happened to several claims made against Savile and who decided how they should be followed up. There are police forces who had complaints on their books and chose not, for whatever reason, to pursue matters. That is a serious concern."

At least three forces – Surrey, Sussex and Jersey – are known to have been aware of allegations against Savile, but the true number is believed to be as high as seven. "We need to know: did they look at their databases? Did they talk to each other?" Collins asked. HMIC confirmed that an inquiry could be launched. "Although we are not currently inspecting the issues around this case, we are monitoring the developments," an HMIC spokesman said. "HMIC have a programme of inspection work around child protection which is under way."

Another option would be for the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), which examines how complaints against the police have been handled, to launch an inquiry. But this would only go ahead if a complaint had been made directly to the IPCC or there had been a referral from a force. The IPCC said neither had happened.

A focus on the police would take some of the pressure off the BBC, which has been the victim of a "witch-hunt", according to veteran presenter Jonathan Dimbleby, who has attacked the "disturbing relish" with which critics have laid into the corporation.

"Paedophilia is a huge national problem that no one thought about 50 years ago and is now something that concerns everyone, but this has become a witchhunt against the BBC," Dimbleby told a national newspaper.

He added: "Organisations that have come under flak recently, such as newspapers and MPs, want to get their revenge. They think the BBC is too smug and holier than thou."

Collins said a picture was emerging of Savile as a risk-taker and an opportunist who surrounded himself with dubious characters. One line of inquiry is following Savile's links to the criminal underworld in Manchester, including the notorious Quality Street gang, who supposedly dominated the city in the 1960s.

Collins said it was conceivable that lawyers acting for alleged victims would take legal action to compel police forces to hand over their files on Savile. He said such action would be taken if organisations like the BBC or the Savile estate denied liability, prompting lawyers to seek disclosure from the police.

Last week Savile's estate, which is reportedly worth £4.3m, was frozen in response to the mounting allegations. NatWest Bank, which is acting as the Jim'll Fix It presenter's executor and trustee, said the distribution of his assets had been put on hold in anticipation of legal action from his alleged victims.

Savile, who died last year at the age of 84, is believed to have been one of the UK's most prolific sex offenders, with about 300 possible victims.

The Metropolitan police force has signalled that it is prepared to send officers abroad if necessary to investigate the abuse allegations. Victims of alleged attacks relating to the Savile inquiry have so far come forward from France, Austria, Switzerland, South Africa and Australia.

The alleged victims are understood to be Britons who subsequently moved abroad after being abused in Britain, as opposed to foreign nationals who were attacked during trips to the UK.

Detectives are presently following 400 lines of inquiry, while the BBC has launched an inquiry into the culture and practices at the corporation in the era of Savile's alleged sexual abuse. It has also set up an investigation of the handling of a Newsnight report about Savile, which is being led by the former head of Sky News, Nick Pollard.

the sad thing is he will get away with it , as they ll seem too do

it needs to be stopped however even we all say 'stop abusing children people in powert still continue
how do we stop it once and fore all

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2228179...ated-government.html

Piñera launches bill that toughens penalties for pedophiles in Chile
Posted on November 8, 2012 - 10:19 pm
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Chile
justice
pedophilia

The President of Chile, Sebastián Piñera, launched on Thursday a bill that seeks to toughen restrictions against pedophiles as part of an agenda of measures introduced in July against child sexual abuse.

The bill proposes to extend the current 10-year period in which a person who abused a child can not request removal of his criminal record, President Piñera said at an event in Santiago.

The new rule seeks to "tighten restrictions against those who sexually abuse against our children," said Piñera.

The legislation is part of an agenda of measures that the president announced in July and includes the hardening of prison conditions for accused sex offenders and an aggravating factor in sentencing for abusers.

Also determined to establish an electronic bracelet that will use those who are committing a sexual offense, and a record of pedophiles that prevent people with a history of child abuse minors working nearby.

"It's a real agenda we have done for our children, to increase penalties and restrict benefits to those who threaten and sexually abuse against minors," said Piñera.

According to the National Prosecuting Authority, reports of sexual abuse of children under 14 increased by 22% this year in Chile.

Accusations have occurred primarily in schools and high income against Catholic priests, which has caused much media frenzy.
© ANP / AFP

oh my! David Cameron on this morning thank you for that video Chands.....I hadn't seen that

he is stuttering slightly isn't he

Is this ment to be don't worry about child abuse, I'm on top of it speach

Someday , and I think it's far from happening someone will 'blow the lid' about exactly how many men in the media/showbusiness/corporate business/the police/ judges etc are involved in paedophiles rings

to me is stinks like high heaven and points towards a secret organisation , like errm .the masons

And what on earth are these child abusers on?

Thinking yes I'll buggar a child because that will give sexual gratification and power

Fucking Sick Sick Sick bastards

Someone needs to make this stop

dawnbreak wrote: I do know for certain that not reporting concrete evidence to the police, should you be in possesion of it, is absolutely the best way to ensure those who should face justice, never, ever, do.

Feather I personally know two people who when they went to the police about what had happened to them (one with Cliff Richard the other Tom Paton) were told in no uncertain terms 'You must have been a Rent Boy to get that close to those individuals' and were told in no uncertain terms there would be no follow up , no police investigation

I see possibly two 'sub-stories' being played out here, TPTB tit for tatting "you reveal that then I'll reveal this!" and more clamping down on what can be posted on the net.
To reitterate what feather saiid, particularly to dawn, this is a very emotive topic, think what you are about to say 'in public' as we have no idea who is reading this and I'd hate to see the focus switch to online posters rather than the real bad.bastards currently shitting bricks!

yeah the police have done such I good job at stepping in before haven't they?

I personally know someone who was abused by Cliff Richard (family member through marriage) and someone who was abused by Tom Patton (Bay city rollers)

Both of this people made offical complaints

and thinking we should just 'shut up' and not put the word out there that there are paedophiles out there in the media/the police/the judicial system is just a bit nuts

What do think will happen? All the internet police will pile up at psketti's door and arrest her?

Total Arse biscuits ........so I have been 'advised by both Feather and OiOiOi not too share

dawnbreak wrote: The reality is that if you make allegations about someone which you may struggle to support with evidence you leave yourself open to being sued for defamation of character and the costs for the plaintive bringing that action.

If you use the SZ site to voice those accusations then it is arguable that SZ enabled and circulated your defamation and are therefore open to being sued as above.

It's civil law, You don't be dragged off to jail but it could cost you everything you have and a bit more.
Hence why most people treat it with a degree of sensible caution.

Btw, what you have shared about these incidents so far is easily dismissed in law as hearsay.
You were not there. You have no foresic or photographic material evidence.
None of it has any weight but it does leave you wide open.

I could not sit by, say nothing and forgive myself if you carried on and fell foul of it and/or took others down.

It's advice, well intentioned, take it or not.

Does that mean then that on no forum people can can recant 'real life events of child abuse perpetrated by people in the Media?

I'm sorry feather but this does go on and I know two people this has happened to , so if I talk about it surely that's up to me .......
free speech an all

have you read the stuff that's being said on Mumsnet or DigitalSPy .......I seriously do not think for a minute 'anyone in authority' would be the slightest bit interested in this forum'

dawnbreak wrote: I'm sorry if the law interferes with how you wish things to be.
You may have freedom of speech, that however does not protect you from the consequences of what you say.

Again, no-one is disputing that child abuse goes on.
You know what my job was, do you think I dispute child abuse happens?
Do you believe I have any sympathy for the bastards who perpetrate it?
Really?

I am simply advising you about the legal position you put yourself and others in by printing these allegations.
Feel free if you must.

dawn i dont think its right people can be afraid of the law for things that the law are put in place to protect people from. if you are deadly serious, 100% sure, these people should go to some independent media and expose what happened. slipping in names here, i respect your courage, but if something was to happen, they have lawyers, we dont. so i recommend it gets more coverage so that its not so easy to dismiss as internet crazyness. just watch out. its a bullshit dance, but also if someone accused me of things i would like to have a chance to defend myself. its fair. even for celebrities.

ok ........however I don't think 'legal' allegations come in here

My brother in law and his best mate went down to london aged 17 .......they were 'adopted' by cliff richard and melvin bragg

They both asked to pee and poo on him ,and he let the peeing happen because he had no money and was in London.........

He also tells us about boys as young as 12 being there......there were a whole 'host' of celebrities there
my brother in law came back to Edinburgh and has huge mental health problems now , his best mate is now on a British Soap because he just went with it and let them do whatever they wanted to do with him

I also know a person who was 'recruited' by Tom Paton and when he didn't bend over was told ' you have to run drugs now or we will kill your family'

These 'celebrities' run paedophiles rings and drugs .............someone sowhere must get them to stop

Yeah.......