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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 09 Nov 2012 14:09 #401

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yeah , facepalm Feather.........you know me and know I don't talk shite about something as important as Child Abuse


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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 09 Nov 2012 16:26 #402

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oh my! David Cameron on this morning thank you for that video Chands.....I hadn't seen that

he is stuttering slightly isn't he

Is this ment to be don't worry about child abuse, I'm on top of it speach :O

Someday , and I think it's far from happening someone will 'blow the lid' about exactly how many men in the media/showbusiness/corporate business/the police/ judges etc are involved in paedophiles rings

to me is stinks like high heaven and points towards a secret organisation , like errm .the masons

And what on earth are these child abusers on?

Thinking yes I'll buggar a child because that will give sexual gratification and power

Fucking Sick Sick Sick bastards

Someone needs to make this stop

Cameron looks very nervous, this took him by surprsie.
Child abuse si about people feeling powerful over children. They are sick, just like all politicians.

It has been said also, that young children't blood, prevents people from getting older.
That former dead chinese leader used to inject himself with younger blood.
There is an article on that by scientists , let me see if I can find it.

Here it is, it makes Dracula look right: :O

www.hangthebankers.com/amazing-medical-d...uvenate-the-elderly/


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Amazing Medical Discovery: Transfusions of young blood appears to rejuvenate the elderly
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21 Oct 2012
blood transfusion, brain, health, life, longevity, medical, rejuvenation, research, science, study
by Jacque Fresco

Blood transfusion bagsHuman history-altering newsflash: Scientists have demonstrated that injections of youthful blood carry semi-magical, rejuvenating qualities–at least for gray-whiskered mice.

The researchers believe that the same might hold true for humans, suggesting that diseases like Alzheimer’s and indeed aging itself might be prevented through the transfusion of the youth’s vigorous lifeblood.

To clarify: No, this revelation is not the premise of the next blowout romance-vampire movie trilogy. It is a real scientific discovery made in Stanford University’s laboratories and presented earlier this week at the Society for Neuroscience conference in New Orleans.

The study showed that 18-month-old mice who had been received eight transfusions of young blood had a much easier time making it through the a watery maze than the old mice who had not received any transfusions.

“They were 18 months old but they were acting much younger, like a four to six-month-old,” said Dr. Villeda, one of the lead researchers.

The study also demonstrated that older mice who had received the blood transfusions also began to grow new synopses in their brain–connections which are essential for the retention of memory.

This result holds promise far beyond solving the plight of grandparents accompanying their grandchildren through those pesky Halloween hay labyrinths. The researchers said that this information could, in the future, be used to prevent mental aging itself.

“Do I think that having young blood could have an effect on a human? I am thinking more and more that it might,” said Dr. Villeda.

If the same does hold true for humans, this discovery could become a major scientific breakthrough at a time when the world’s elderly population is growing exponentially. Scientists predict that by 2050 global population over 60 will reach a dizzying two billion people, which could cause a massive health care and economic crisis as societies struggle to care for these seniors. Some scientists have said that this explosion of Alzheimer’s alone could cause a “looming medical-care disaster is beyond comparison with anything that has been faced during the entire history of humanity.”

Scientists are excited about the potentials of this study.

Chris Mason, professor of regenerative medicine bioprocessing at University College London, told The Guardian, “Even if the finding leads only to a drug that prevents, rather than reverses the normal effects of ageing on the brain, the impact upon future generations will be substantial – potentially outweighing other wonder drugs such as penicillin.”

As significant and surprising as this study is, the results are supported by past research. Last year, the same Stanford researchers demonstrated that injecting young mice with old blood led to mental deterioration in the rodents.

This research led them to undertake this more recent experiment to see whether the reverse could be true.

Moving forward, it is unlikely that a vial of youthful blood itself will become the treatment for aging. Instead, scientists say that the new challenge is to identify what compounds inside young blood carry this rejuvenating effect–potentially allowing researchers to extract or replicate these particularly chemicals.

Still, this study itself is a significant scientific breakthrough that once again shows the incredible predictive powers of both science fiction novels and despotic leaders.

Now, I know what you’re thinking: “Kim Jong-il was right!” (Korea’s late leader reputedly spent years injecting himself with the blood of healthy youths.) “Does that mean he was also right about communism?”

Unfortunately, the results in that aspect are inconclusive.
Source: www.alternet.org/personal-health/amazing...r-rejuvenate-elderly
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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 09 Nov 2012 16:46 #403

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I don't even know what to say ...drinking/injecting their blood?
So why are they also having sex with kids?
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I don't even know what to say ...drinking/injecting their blood?
So why are they also having sex with kids?

Searchs me.. Part of their sick power package I suppose.
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best not mention Elton John then :noudiint:
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Now the phrase "shape-shifting blood drinking lizards" is begining to make some sense. :D


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Shortly before that, Keith Lemon called him Tony.
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In spanish slang toni means CLOWN :spliff:
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What do think will happen? All the internet police will pile up at psketti's door and arrest her?

Nope, it would be at my door actually.

But as I've said before, that possibility isn't something that worries me in the least. As far as I'm concerned you can post whatever accusations you like against these so-called 'people'.
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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 10 Nov 2012 01:02 #411

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Here is interesting stuff on the Savile scandal, and victims:

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www.newstatesman.com/nelson-jones/2012/1...new-paedophile-panic



Is Tom Watson in danger of fuelling a new paedophile panic?

There is a difference between listening sympathetically to the stories of people who say that they have been abused and uncritically believing every assertion that is made, says Nelson Jones.
By Nelson Jones Published 09 November 2012 13:50




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Tom Watson MP. Photo: Getty Images


It is in the nature of moral panics that they begin with genuine, shocking but relatively exceptional crimes and scandals. Because the revelation is striking or indicative, because it hits the nerve of a zeitgeist, it creates an appetite for more. And there may well be more, because even things that are rare are generally not unique. But as the revelations continue, the net begins to be cast much wider and the evidential bar is lowered.

Positive feedback occurs: the mere making of a claim becomes self-sustaining. It's not long before it becomes difficult, professionally and politically, to raise legitimate doubts and questions about the reality and extent of the problem. Because the subject of moral panics are necessarily emotive, whether they involve the abuse of the vulnerable or questions of national security. Sceptics will be made to feel that they are complacent; that they don't care about the victims; even that they themselves are part of the conspiracy or the cover-up. In our own age, for good reasons, nothing is more emotive than paedophilia.

Yet when (on the face of it) extraordinary claims are being made - for example, the claim that the entire British establishment has been infiltrated by a network of elite paedophiles - what is needed above all is circumspection. Serious allegations must, of course, be investigated seriously. But there is a difference between listening sympathetically to the stories of people who say that they have been abused and uncritically believing every assertion that is made. It may seem to be a fine line but it is important to maintain it.

Unfortunately, the media always seek sensation and the loudest voices are usually the most incautious. Another recurrent feature of moral panics, from mass witchhunts in 16th century Europe to the McCarthyite purges of 1950s America and beyond, is the activity of highly motivated individuals, fired by a genuine sense of moral indignation whose crusade against wrongdoing easily tips over into credulity. Often they will occupy a position of public prominence that itself lends credence to their assertions. In the process the difference between truth and fantasy can become fatally blurred.

I don't doubt that the Labour MP Tom Watson was wholly sincere when he stood up at Prime Minister's Questions on 24 October and claimed to be in possession of "clear intelligence suggesting a powerful paedophile network linked to parliament and No 10". The issue he raised was a specific and important one, even if the evidence he adduced was somewhat tenuous. He referred to the presence, in an old police evidence file, of a claim by an alleged member of a "widespread paedophile ring" that he had "links to a senior aide of a former prime minister." In a nation already knocked sideways by the revelations about Jimmy Savile, even the hint of such a network was explosive, as Watson must have known it would be. It was inevitable that there would be fevered speculation, much of it online, as to the identity of the alleged Tory paedophile: speculation that Watson did nothing to discourage when he made clear on his blog that the man concerned was not the late Peter Morrison, as many had guessed, and implied that the guilty man was still alive.

The firestorm that Watson ignited reached its culmination yesterday morning when ITV's Phillip Schofield presented David Cameron, live on air, with a list of names who were the subject of internet speculation. Schofield's action was widely condemned as irresponsible, as indeed it was, but without Watson's repeated interventions to raise the temperature it's unlikely that things would have gone quite so far. Without Watson, indeed, it's unlikely that Newsnight would have led last Friday with claims by a Bryn Estyn abuse victim that one of his abusers was a senior Tory politician, who for legal reasons wasn't named. These claims have now finally been subject to a much-needed scrutiny by the Guardian, which identified the man in question as former Conservative treasurer Lord McAlpine, albeit in the context of (quite convincingly, in my view) demolishing the case against him.

The Guardian suggests that McAlpine was probably the victim of mistaken identity, the true abuser being a member of his family who is now deceased. Indeed, the paper notes that McAlpine was "exonerated by the 1997 Waterhouse inquiry of any involvement in the abuse of children in the north Wales homes." That inquiry is now itself the subject of a new inquiry announced by Theresa May earlier this week, but the truth of the matter may have been in the public domain all along. In October 1997, Nick Davies wrote a comprehensive report for the Guardian into claims of cover-up in relation to the Waterhouse inquiry, noting in particular the alleged involvement of a senior Conservative. Davies calls the abuser "Mr B" and the victim, who has since waived anonymity as Steve Messham, as "Leon".

According to Davies, Mr B was "a rich and powerful man who had used ["Leon"] for sex on three occasions. Mr B's surname "happened to match that of one of Mrs Thatcher’s most prominent supporters." However, Davies notes, the witness "said that he thought Mr B was dead, whereas Mrs Thatcher’s supporter is still alive and prominent."

This morning's Guardian offers further strong circumstantial evidence that the claims about Lord McAlpine are false. McAlpine himself has now made a public statement.

While Tom Watson had not mentioned the Bryn Estyn scandal directly, neither has he dispelled any suggestions that the Newsnight allegations and his "powerful paedophile network linked to No 10" were connected. Rather, he has continued to join the dots. In a blog post on November 3, he told of how since his intervention in the Commons he had been contacted by many members of the public with claims and "suspicions" that "go way beyond the claims made on Newsnight". Some had "named powerful people – some of them household names – who abused children with impunity." They include "a former cabinet minister who regularly abused young boys". Some of his correspondents, he wrote, "have raised mysterious early deaths, disappeared children, suspicious fires, intimidation and threats. It's bewildering".

Actually, it's far from bewildering. It was only to be expected.

I'm not sure how far Tom Watson is aware of it, but the "alternative" part of the internet has been buzzing for weeks with the most bizarre conspiracy theories involving highly-placed paedophiles. It would be surprising if he had not been contacted by whole swathes of the sort of people who usually haunt websites dedicated to exposing the Bilderberg Group and the New World Order, and among whom he has rapidly become a hero. Among such types, the notion of an elite paedophile network has long been curiously central.

Reading Watson's words, though, you can't help but wonder just how far down the rabbit hole he has fallen himself. Even while admitting "how insane this all appears," he refers darkly to "warnings from people who should know that my personal safety is imperilled if I dig any deeper". He mentions keeping "a detailed log of all the allegations should anything happen". While he stresses that investigation is a matter for the police, he promises that he will continue to expose "this extreme case of organised abuse in the highest places." He seems almost to have become a character in his own novel.

This forms the background to Watson's second Commons intervention, on Tuesday this week, when he suggested that May's announced inquiries, restricted as they were to cases for which there was some actual evidence, represented "the basic building block of a cover-up" and "a dereliction of the Home Secretary's duty". Watson seems to be demanding a virtually unlimited inquiry into establishment paedophile networks that he has already decided must exist, and into a shadowy establishment cover-up that he is also presupposing. He had already issued an open letter to David Cameron, in which he vaunted his "experience of uncovering massive establishment conspiracies" and condemned "decorous caution" as "the friend of the paedophile". He came close to suggesting that Cameron himself might have reason to be part of a cover-up: "Narrowing the inquiry equals hiding the truth. That is the reality and it is not what you want."

This is the language of the witch-hunter, the conspiracy-theorist, or the architect of a moral panic down the ages. Is it really the language of a serious politician?

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Re: Jimmy Saville - Justice At Last? 10 Nov 2012 02:16 #413

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November 5th, 2012

The Rt Hon David Cameron MP
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5 November 2012



Dear Mr Cameron,

Congratulations on ordering a review of what information government departments may hold about organised child abuse at the heart of government 30 years ago.

In acting swiftly you have sent an important message about how seriously you take this matter. You have done the right thing and I commend you for it.

And the inquiry that you have announced performs a useful function. It is certainly important that government departments trawl their archives to see what documents they hold. But my experience of uncovering massive establishment conspiracies leaves me in no doubt that what you have suggested does not go anything like far enough. Its limited scope may even slow things down, muddy waters, damage trails. What is needed is a much wider, but equally immediate, investigation.

Since sharing my concerns with you at PMQs, a number of people have come forward to say that they raised their suspicions with the police, but investigations were not carried out. One allegation involves alleged child abuse and a former cabinet minister. We both know that many untruths are told about politicians, but this allegation was specific, informed and appeared well corroborated.

Cutting through a concerted establishment cover-up requires meticulous, diligent, fearless commitment to uncover the truth, whomever it unmasks.

My advice to you as Prime Minister – and from one father to another – is that you need to order a special police investigation, outside the affected forces, with proper resources, to review all relevant police files and those of the intelligence services. If they have documents suggesting politicians in the Commons and Lords or others in positions of power were involved in child abuse then they should make them available to a new inquiry team.

The forces so far known of be affected (Met, Surrey, West and South Yorkshire, West Mercia, Dorset, Kent, Essex, North Wales, Suffolk and Sussex) need to have their archives systematically searched for intelligence from witnesses/victims making claims which were not investigated; investigations which were closed down, and so on.

If what you really want – and I believe that it is – is the truth, then you must draw the terms of reference such that the police inquiry has licence to follow any lead it finds in what will be, after all, a serious criminal investigation. There should be no historic sexual abuse of children which is off limits to this investigation. The police should be supported by a dedicated team of child protection specialists, many of whom have been raising their concerns for years. Your advisers will tell you to be wary of “opening the floodgates”. They are wrong. Their decorous caution is the friend of the paedophile. Narrowing the inquiry equals hiding the truth. That is the reality and it is not what you want.

Detailed recommendations about how to organise an investigation is in the possession of the government. The 2002 guidance on Complex Child abuse investigations: Inter agency issues (Home Office and DoH) continues to be relevant and is referenced in Working Together to Safeguard Children 2010 Investigating complex (organised or multiple) abuse (p194 6.10-1.6.13).

A dedicated police unit is essential, investigating the organised abuse of children, wherever it happened – from the seediest backstreets even to Downing Street – without fear or favour of exposing the rich and powerful, or those who covered up for them.

And if it opens a floodgate of misery, then so be it. We will all feel dirtied and sickened – as we should. Victims have an absolute right to the whole truth.

I know you want to do this and ask that you give it your urgent attention.

You have no choice.

Yours sincerely

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I read that link Chand, and even though it's not revealing much that hasn't already become known to the public lately, it still knocked me sick. I'd not heard before about McAlpine's games. I didn't know about him allegedly putting little boys in coffins to terrify them into compliance - or that he's believed to have murdered some of his victims.

I'd like to express my views on these horrifying predators without resorting to inciting violence, but I can't. I want every one of the allegations investigated properly by an uncorrupted, independent body, and those found guilty exposed. I want them to pay appropriately for what they did, and be removed forever from society. Neutering these psychopaths is inadequate.

If the authorities don't sort it out properly, they thoroughly deserve for the public to take things into their own hands. And people need to know the nasty, sordid details - not just the vague insinuations. They need to understand what happens to these most innocent, vulnerable souls who fall prey, so that they can realise the extent of the cruelty and depravity.
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Gilly wrote:
I'd like to express my views on these horrifying predators without resorting to inciting violence, but I can't. I want every one of the allegations investigated properly by an uncorrupted, independent body, and those found guilty exposed. I want them to pay appropriately for what they did, and be removed forever from society. Neutering these psychopaths is inadequate.

Pretty much sums up my feelings.

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I read that link Chand, and even though it's not revealing much that hasn't already become known to the public lately, it still knocked me sick. I'd not heard before about McAlpine's games. I didn't know about him allegedly putting little boys in coffins to terrify them into compliance - or that he's believed to have murdered some of his victims.

I'd like to express my views on these horrifying predators without resorting to inciting violence, but I can't. I want every one of the allegations investigated properly by an uncorrupted, independent body, and those found guilty exposed. I want them to pay appropriately for what they did, and be removed forever from society. Neutering these psychopaths is inadequate.

If the authorities don't sort it out properly, they thoroughly deserve for the public to take things into their own hands. And people need to know the nasty, sordid details - not just the vague insinuations. They need to understand what happens to these most innocent, vulnerable souls who fall prey, so that they can realise the extent of the cruelty and depravity.

Agree Gilly, since the press is not doing its job, people are doing it for them in social networks,
forums, tweeter, Facebook etc. It seems that at this level of communication people have taken things
into their own hands, because the authorities are only protecting themselves.

I think they understand, and are suprised that the people can't be fool as children, and that they think for themselves.
So prince Charles is in New Guinea on vacations with Camila, the Queen somewhere else, the only one looking like a fool is Cameron when he was handed on live TV the list of Paedophile ring. You can tell he is following orders to wait until this storm
setles, and people's bad memories can be counted on, as usual. But it won't.
They were elected to REALLY take care fo things, this included.
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Gilly wrote:
I read that link Chand, and even though it's not revealing much that hasn't already become known to the public lately, it still knocked me sick. I'd not heard before about McAlpine's games. I didn't know about him allegedly putting little boys in coffins to terrify them into compliance - or that he's believed to have murdered some of his victims.

I'd like to express my views on these horrifying predators without resorting to inciting violence, but I can't. I want every one of the allegations investigated properly by an uncorrupted, independent body, and those found guilty exposed. I want them to pay appropriately for what they did, and be removed forever from society. Neutering these psychopaths is inadequate.

If the authorities don't sort it out properly, they thoroughly deserve for the public to take things into their own hands. And people need to know the nasty, sordid details - not just the vague insinuations. They need to understand what happens to these most innocent, vulnerable souls who fall prey, so that they can realise the extent of the cruelty and depravity.

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This is a very good video, with a balanced opinion of speaker, worth seeing it entirely.


A love letter to the NSA agent who is monitoring my online activity. :D


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