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Ukraine gas and guess who. 04 Mar 2014 12:36 #141

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At this point we could see either Russia or the West as having encouraged the situation or it could've erupted as a natural consequence of both, hard to tell tbh and there's not much in the way of accurate news in the English language IMHO.
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Ukraine gas and guess who. 04 Mar 2014 13:14 #142

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Are western capitalist nations exploiting far right things in Ukraine
To push their agenda ?

Do you even have to ask? Have your read the conditions the EU were demanding from Ukraine? It was a straight forward, standard economic take over, plus forbidding them to trade with Russia (their main importer, btw) while giving very little in return, including: no full membership, and no EU visas for Ukrainians either.
The one and only reason that made Yanukovich say ‘no’ to the EU, at least momentarily, was that the EU were asking for both national and privately owned monopolies to be sold to ‘foreign’ investors. Since him and his buddies own a lot of that shit, they didn’t like that and put on the breaks, but they didn’t give a definitive no.

Then the protests started. Apparently the people over there love to be fucked economically by foreign kleptocrats... :iitm:

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This is no pro-Russian propaganda rag, this is from ultra capitalist Forbes!

Washington's Man Yatsenyuk Setting Ukraine Up For Ruin

Ukraine’s interim prime minister, Arseniy “Yats” Yatsenyuk, may prove to be arsenic to the beleaguered nation.

“Recall the phone exchange between the Ukraine ambassador and Victoria [fuck the EU] Nuland (Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs) that got leaked out, where she basically said ‘we want Yats in there.’ They like him because he’s pro Western,” says Vladimir Signorelli, president of boutique investment research firm Bretton Woods Research LLC in New Jersey. “Yatsenyuk is the the kind of technocrat you want if you want austerity, with the veneer of professionalism,” Signorelli said. “He’s the type of guy who can hobnob with the European elite. A Mario Monti type: unelected and willing to do the IMFs bidding,” he said.
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Ukraine’s new 450-seat parliament approved the appointment of the former Central Banker Yatsenyuk on Thursday by a vote of 371 to 1. Oddly enough, earlier this month, the pro-Western Yats trailed behind popular opposition leaders such as former heavyweight boxer Viltali Klitschko and the leader of the nationalist, Svoboda Party, Oleh Tyahnybok. But Yats had friends in high places and while he does not have strong support of the electorate, and would have no chance of winning an election, he is pro-IMF austerity and apparently the bulk of parliament is as well.

"Yatsenyuk was saying that what the Greeks did to themselves we are going to do ourselves,” said Signorelli. “He wants to follow the Greek economic model. Who the hell wants to follow that?

LINK: www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2014/02/2...ukraine-up-for-ruin/
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Ukraine gas and guess who. 04 Mar 2014 13:50 #143

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The IMF is in town. We know what the Ukrainian government wants from them - loans, and big ones.

But what will the IMF want from Ukraine?

Reforms to stimulate stronger economic growth and to improve the government's financial position.

We know some likely elements from a previous IMF programme, agreed by the Yanukovych government, which was not fully implemented.

Energy will be central. The IMF wants Ukraine to cut the heavy subsidies, which are a strain on the government budget and which encourage inefficient energy use.

The interim Prime Minister, Arseny Yatsenyuk, has said Ukraine will accept whatever conditions the IMF seeks.

Well maybe. But actually imposing the hefty energy price increases that are likely to be called for will be politically challenging for any Ukrainian government.

Watch this space.
I'm sure all this strategic interest in the Ukraine would still exist if they didn't have any gas. This isn't just another energy war, far from it.

The credence given to the IMF is quite incredible considering (a) what they've done in the past, and (b) they don't actually have any money. You'd think the International Monetary Fund would have money, but that's not the world we're living in.
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Ukraine gas and guess who. 04 Mar 2014 14:17 #144

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26429659
The IMF is in town. We know what the Ukrainian government wants from them - loans, and big ones.

But what will the IMF want from Ukraine?

Reforms to stimulate stronger economic growth and to improve the government's financial position.

We know some likely elements from a previous IMF programme, agreed by the Yanukovych government, which was not fully implemented.

Energy will be central. The IMF wants Ukraine to cut the heavy subsidies, which are a strain on the government budget and which encourage inefficient energy use.

The interim Prime Minister, Arseny Yatsenyuk, has said Ukraine will accept whatever conditions the IMF seeks.

Well maybe. But actually imposing the hefty energy price increases that are likely to be called for will be politically challenging for any Ukrainian government.

Watch this space.
I'm sure all this strategic interest in the Ukraine would still exist if they didn't have any gas. This isn't just another energy war, far from it.

The credence given to the IMF is quite incredible considering (a) what they've done in the past, and (b) they don't actually have any money. You'd think the International Monetary Fund would have money, but that's not the world we're living in.

Yep, conjure some money up out of thin air with the 'power given to them to do so' and then make 'conditions' for it to fuck countries over and all because the politicians were too stupid to conjure up their own money.
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Ukraine gas and guess who. 04 Mar 2014 14:37 #145

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Wayne madson on far right in Ukraine .


Neo Nazi groups in Ukraine ,




The footage of Russian troops firing warning shots at Ukraine troops earlier .

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Ukraine gas and guess who. 04 Mar 2014 14:41 #146

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?/3/2014 Kiev, Ukraine: FASCIST COUP

### HIGH PRIORITY ###

Prawy Sektor (Right Sektor) have a main role in the fascist coup, just as we expected months ago.

"They broke into a City Council meeting where members of the Party of Regions were sitting in the town of Vasilkov, outside the Ukrainian capital, Kiev.

Armed members of the group entered, hinting that members of the Party of Regions should “voluntarily” resign. This was after admitting that they just invaded another local meeting, where they had successfully got other elected members of the Party of Regions to resign. The members replied that they had already done so that morning.

The radical group was led by far-right activist Igor Mosiychuk, who was sentenced to six years in prison in January for planning to blow up Lenin’s monument in the town of Borispol. He is also one of the three suspects in the ‘Vasilkov’s terrorists’ case.

Mosiychuk was freed from jail on February 24 based on Ukraine’s parliament newly-approved decree to release political prisoners."

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Ukraine gas and guess who. 04 Mar 2014 15:08 #147

wake_up_bomb wrote:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26429659
The IMF is in town. We know what the Ukrainian government wants from them - loans, and big ones.

But what will the IMF want from Ukraine?

Reforms to stimulate stronger economic growth and to improve the government's financial position.

We know some likely elements from a previous IMF programme, agreed by the Yanukovych government, which was not fully implemented.

Energy will be central. The IMF wants Ukraine to cut the heavy subsidies, which are a strain on the government budget and which encourage inefficient energy use.

The interim Prime Minister, Arseny Yatsenyuk, has said Ukraine will accept whatever conditions the IMF seeks.

Well maybe. But actually imposing the hefty energy price increases that are likely to be called for will be politically challenging for any Ukrainian government.

Watch this space.
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^ Again, I don’t wanna say I told ya... :)
And I don’t have a crystal ball, no, it’s just that the writing was on the wall here. It was so goddamn obvious! :roll:
You had to be blind, or stupid, or both, not to see it coming!!!!

Mind you, they’re there, already? That’s ahead of schedule, isn't it? They just can’t wait to get those sticky hands in Ukraine, now can they?

On the other hand, let’s not forget that this ‘interim’ government is NOT legitimate by any stretch, and it’s in no legal position to be signing away things or taking loans... but that’s not gonna stop them, and no-one is gonna question the legitimacy of it all either...
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I'm sure all this strategic interest in the Ukraine would still exist if they didn't have any gas. This isn't just another energy war, far from it [...]

You got that straight. It’s about encircling Russia. Same with Poland and the threat of NATO's missiles on the Polish/Russian border... that didn’t happen, btw, Russia fought long and hard to block it. I’m sure that stung them. So they’re trying their luck with Ukraine instead.

The gutting of the Ukrainian economy, is just a consolation price for ‘them.’ That’s not what they’re after.
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[...] The credence given to the IMF is quite incredible considering (a) what they've done in the past, and (b) they don't actually have any money. You'd think the International Monetary Fund would have money, but that's not the world we're living in.

Fair point. But aren’t you forgetting how the IMF gets funded AND what type of currency it uses? World Reserve Currency, that’s US Dollars, the same US Dollars printed willy-nilly - ala "quantitative easing" - by the privately owned Federal - no more “Federal” than Federal Express - Reserve.

They'll just print that loan up.

For a bunch of fancy printed paper they'll get the Ukrainian population head on a pike.

Once again! You go “peaceful” Maidan Protesters! Go!!!!!! Job well done! :urok:
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Ukraine gas and guess who. 04 Mar 2014 16:43 #148

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Incidentally, it is claimed that RT censored this section of the programme. This is just a lie. You can find it at the end of this episode here:

rt.com/shows/breaking-set-summary/most-p...-minority-earth-710/
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Ukraine gas and guess who. 04 Mar 2014 17:30 #149

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Well...

...talk about biting the hand that feeds... [< that’s a guess, because I can’t watch the vid - because... I’m under the yoke of bandwidth constrictions...yay! :dancin: fun timez! Right? ;) ]

So! That’ll mean that this ‘Abby Martin’ bimbo will be out of the job....
....no wonder I never fully liked her... BTW, her liking of this hip-hop shite got on my freakin’ nerves... I just thought of throwing that out there...

Good luck Abby getting a job with NBC, FOX NEWS, CNN ... et al...

We'll miss ya...

...NOT! :/
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Ukraine gas and guess who. 04 Mar 2014 17:52 #150

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America offering financial aid billion dollars worth and tech aid
To Ukraine ,
Oh you must be joking . :no:
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Ukraine gas and guess who. 04 Mar 2014 18:30 #151

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Fair point. But aren’t you forgetting how the IMF gets funded AND what type of currency it uses? World Reserve Currency, that’s US Dollars, the same US Dollars printed willy-nilly - ala "quantitative easing" - by the privately owned Federal - no more “Federal” than Federal Express - Reserve.

They'll just print that loan up.

For a bunch of fancy printed paper they'll get the Ukrainian population head on a pike.

Thats exactly what he meant.

The IMF is actually funded by a quota from each country, 25% in its own currency and the rest in dollar/euro/yen or sterling.
Ofc all these are central banking fr currency anyway..

Whats more disturbing is how an unelected body can make demands supposedly on behalf of the other countries involved.

There's nothing to stop a country from using its own debt free notes, however they won't be accepted by the intl community (read bankers) so they won't be able to do intl trade unless they use their reserve of foreign currency (if they have any) or gold.
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Ukraine gas and guess who. 04 Mar 2014 19:45 #152

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wake_up_bomb wrote:


Incidentally, it is claimed that RT censored this section of the programme. This is just a lie. You can find it at the end of this episode here:

rt.com/shows/breaking-set-summary/most-p...-minority-earth-710/

I happened to be watching that last night when it was broadcast. I literally stopped painting as my chin dropped to the floor with incredulity.....thought....you're finished girl! She basically told RT to "shove it"!!!

The billion(s) being put on the table by the States......that's going to go down well back home :)

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Ukraine gas and guess who. 04 Mar 2014 20:36 #153

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FULL VIDEO: Putin speaks Ukraine, Yanukovich, Maidan, Crimea

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Ukraine gas and guess who. 04 Mar 2014 21:16 #154

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Funny that the Daily Mail has chosen to report on this. I assume they'll be covering a lot of RT's material from now on...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573136...t-Crimea-bosses.html
A Russian TV news presenter who said the country's behaviour in Ukraine was 'wrong' during a live broadcast is being sent to Crimea by the channel's bosses.

Abby Martin, a presenter on the Russia today television channel - which is funded through the Kremlin - denounced Russian action live on air.

She said she 'would not sit here and apologise or defend military aggression,' before saying her 'heart went out' to the Ukrainian people who she described as 'the real losers here.'

In an extraordinary move, Russia Today responded to her statement - saying they would be sending the presenter to Crimea to 'give her an opportunity to make up her own mind from the epicentre of the story.'

Ms Martin, a hosts on the American version of the channel, made her statement at the end of her show Breaking the Set.

She said: 'Before I wrap up the show, I wanted to say something from my heart about the ongoing political crisis in Ukraine and Russia's military occupation of Crimea.

'Just because I work here, for RT, doesn't mean I don't have editorial independence and I can't stress enough how strongly I am against any military intervention in sovereign nations' affairs.

'What Russia did is wrong.'

Speaking live from the show's Washington Studio, she continued: 'I admittedly don't know as much as I should about Ukraine's history or the cultural dynamics of the region, but what I do know is that military intervention is never the answer.

'And I will not sit here and apologize or defend military aggression.'

'Furthermore, the coverage I've seen of Ukraine has been truly disappointing from all sides of the media spectrum, and ripe with disinformation.

'Above all my heart goes out to the Ukrainian people, who are now wedged as pawns in the middle of a global power chess game. They're the real losers here.

'All we can do now is hope for a peaceful outcome for a terrible situation and prevent another full-blown Cold War between multiple superpowers.

'Until then, I'll keep telling the truth as I see it.'

Russia Today later released a statement saying: 'Contrary to the popular opinion, RT doesn’t beat its journalists into submission, and they are free to express their own opinions, not just in private but on the air.

'This is the case with Abby’s commentary on the Ukraine.

'We respect her views, and the views of all our journalists, presenters and program hosts, and there will be absolutely no reprimands made against Ms. Martin.

'In her comment Ms. Martin also noted that she does not possess a deep knowledge of reality of the situation in Crimea.

'As such we’ll be sending her to Crimea to give her an opportunity to make up her own mind from the epicentre of the story.'

Today in Crimea, Russian troops in control of the Belbek air base fired warning shots into the air.

About a dozen Russian soldiers at the base warned the Ukrainians, who were marching towards them without any weapons, not to get any closer.

They fired several warning shots into the air and said they would shoot the Ukrainians if they continued to advance.

The stand-off came as Vladimir Putin ordered thousands of Russian troops participating in military exercises near Ukraine's border to return to their base.
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Ukraine gas and guess who. 04 Mar 2014 23:11 #155

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So, no punishment for Abby, just sent into a potential warzone.
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Ukraine gas and guess who. 04 Mar 2014 23:30 #156

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So, no punishment for Abby, just sent into a potential warzone.
:roll:

I doubt very much she is being forced to go, and I bet she jumped at the chance.
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Ukraine gas and guess who. 04 Mar 2014 23:39 #157

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I like Abby.
Brains and nice legs, a rare combo :D
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So, no punishment for Abby, just sent into a potential warzone.
:roll:

I doubt very much she is being forced to go, and I bet she jumped at the chance.

It's possible yeh.... weird bunch these journos.

Call me a coward, but fuck that for a game of soldiers.

Andy, I consider that a dangerous combo!
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In fact she is very well placed to get both sides of he picture. An american journalist working for Russia Today TV. Should get some good on the spot reports from her.
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@WuB....thank you for the update....which now really makes me think the whole thing was a set up to make RT look like the ones who ONLY report stuff 'honestly'

@Andy....I have only one thing to say politely to you ...... :facepalm:

@Space....Wise man....blonde v brunette...and with legs = ICBM! :aok:

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