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Bundesbank calls for capital levy to avert government bankruptcies 28 Jan 2014 12:12 #1

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www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/27/us-eu...dUSBREA0Q0HV20140127
Germany's Bundesbank said on Monday that countries about to go bankrupt should draw on the private wealth of their citizens through a one-off capital levy before asking other states for help.

The Bundesbank's tough stance comes after years of euro zone crisis that saw five government bailouts. There have also bond market interventions by the European Central Bank in, for example, Italy where households' average net wealth is higher than in Germany.

"(A capital levy) corresponds to the principle of national responsibility, according to which tax payers are responsible for their government's obligations before solidarity of other states is required," the Bundesbank said in its monthly report.

It warned that such a levy carried significant risks and its implementation would not be easy, adding it should only be considered in absolute exceptional cases, for example to avert a looming sovereign insolvency.

The International Monetary Fund discussed the option in a report in October and said that reducing debt ratios to end-2007 levels for a sample of 15 euro area countries, a tax rate of about 10 percent on households with positive net wealth would be required.

The German Institute for Economic Research calculated in 2012 that in Germany a 10-percent levy on a tax base derived from a personal allowance of 250,000 euros would add up to around 230 billion euros. It did not give a figure for crisis countries due to lack of sufficient data.

Greece has been granted bailout funds of 240 billion euros from the euro area, its national central banks and IMF to protect it from a chaotic default and possible exit from the euro zone. Not all funds have been paid out yet.

In Germany, however, the Bundesbank said it would not support an implementation of a recurrent wealth tax, saying it would harm growth.

Recent reforms and adjustments in the euro zone's struggling

countries - Ireland, Greece, Spain, Italy, Cyprus and Portugal - have improved conditions for sustainable growth, the Bundesbank said, but remained concerned about high debt levels.

It was still a key challenge to drive down public as well as private debt and the ECB's upcoming bank health checks could help to address current problems in the banking sector.

A successful test could also help to wean banks in the euro zone periphery countries off ECB funding, the Bundesbank said.

"It is not the purpose of European monetary policy to ensure solvency of national banking systems or governments and it cannot replace necessary economic adjustments or bank balance sheet clean ups," the Bundesbank said.
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Bundesbank calls for capital levy to avert government bankruptcies 28 Jan 2014 12:21 #2

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Remember this....
Guide Map Of Cyprus


and I posted this yesterday.....
www.activistpost.com/2014/01/are-we-on-v...e-emerging.html#more
and
www.activistpost.com/2014/01/bank-run-fe...ing-forced.html#more

It's pretty rich to be honest considering waaaay back the Bundersbank was saying NO vociferously to Germany joining the Euro.
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Bundesbank calls for capital levy to avert government bankruptcies 28 Jan 2014 12:53 #3

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Bank Confiscations Zpsbe2a2d7f


Once they start, it'd cause a bank run- so ties in with that HSBC story - can't have your dosh unless we agree...........
So, if they start in Club Med - they'd have to 'suffer ATM failure' across Europe to prevent that bank run. T'would also potentially be very damaging to businesses.

Meantime- as in Cyprus, the big money will already have flown somewhere safe.

If this proceeds it'd wake up masses faster than TPV ?
Hit people where it hurts - in their wallets.
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Bundesbank calls for capital levy to avert government bankruptcies 28 Jan 2014 13:00 #4

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Do folk even question how germany is in a position to even be calling shots like this?
What do people think led to germany having the strong economy they built?
Very few would even think to ask...
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Bundesbank calls for capital levy to avert government bankruptcies 28 Jan 2014 13:06 #5

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Indeed it does tie in with the HSBC. I'm also beginning to see a tie up to the water cannons Boris has ordered and the met have requested as they suspect a summer of unrest and protests.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again...if the Duke of Westminster arguably the richest man in the UK can pre-pay his taxes 30 years in advance (and that was 20 years ago)....then if he can 'see the future', then so can all these bankers...it's basic accounting at the end of the day....they have known for a while what is coming, don't like it, have kicked the can down the road whilst they get other things in place....and then kerbam...SHF big style.
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Bundesbank calls for capital levy to avert government bankruptcies 28 Jan 2014 13:06 #6

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dubmeup wrote:
Do folk even question how germany is in a position to even be calling shots like this?
What do people think led to germany having the strong economy they built?
Very few would even think to ask...
Good point. Germany is now the world's biggest creditor nation having overtaken China:

www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-wor...korder/2187rank.html

Guess who's at the bottom? Without looking...
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Bundesbank calls for capital levy to avert government bankruptcies 28 Jan 2014 13:39 #7

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It is called a "bank deposit levy" and the one you refer to was called a "one off" which is laughable.

Many people shared such cynicism and this did a lot to encourage interest in the bitcoin as well as, according to Paul Krugman, potentially causing a run on the banks.

Be prepared for ATMs suddenly not working.

On the HSBC thread yesterday I was just saying this...
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I think that Saxe-Coburg Gotha dynasty and historical implications are questioned by many people- and avoided by politicians.

A little anecdote.
On my little Greek island, only a few years back, banks were open friendly places- large doors opening out onto the street (to allow for smoking of course) and a happy mill of people- carrier bags of cash from tavernas- an occasional stray cat perched and lots of time for chat.

Then, maybe about 2 years ago, every single bank underwent building works to their main entrances. Like space capsules- buzz for entry - one person at a time- into ''holding pen'' - then buzz again to be allowed into the hallowed (smoke-free) temple.

It was pretty clear to me then that preparations were being made for an 'event', tho the timing was uncertain. Then an influx of police from elsewhere- the usual chap in the cafe in the town square seemingly vanished.............. all began to tell a story, along with the soup kitchens on the paralia.

So yep, @Angel - the cannons are another part of the jigsaw.

(P.S- @W_u_B I guessed the last two on the list :woo: - maybe I'll treat myself :gyro: )
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Bundesbank calls for capital levy to avert government bankruptcies 28 Jan 2014 13:49 #9

I'm moving to Germany!!!

On a serious note, are their living standard better than ours? Their cars certainly are...
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Bundesbank calls for capital levy to avert government bankruptcies 28 Jan 2014 15:21 #10

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I'm sticking this here because I can't find enough information on it to justify setting up a full thread...

Russian Bank Halts All Cash Withdrawals
Tyler Durden's pictureSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 01/28/2014 09:53 -0500

It would appear the fears of a global bank run are spreading. From HSBC's limiting large cash withdrawals (for your own good) to Lloyds ATMs going down, Bloomberg reports that 'My Bank' - one of Russia's top 200 lenders by assets - has introduced a complete ban on cash withdrawals until next week. While the Ruble has been losing ground rapidly recently, we suspect few have been expecting bank runs in Russia. Russia sovereign CDS had recently weakned to 4-month wides at 192bps.

Via Bloomberg,

Lender has introduced complete ban on cash withdrawals until end of week, news agency reports, citing unidentified person in call center.

Bank spokeswoman declined to comment by phone

My Bank is top 200 lender by assets: Prime

NOTE: Central bank has revoked about 30 banking licenses since July 1 when Elvira Nabiullina succeeded Sergei Ignatiev as governor, compared with three in the firt half of the year
Interestingly, Russia's biggest lender Sberbank has seen a 8.7% rise in deposits in December... it seems the Russian's are realizing that bank deposits are nothing more than risky loans to highly levered entities...


www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-28/russia...all-cash-withdrawals
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Bundesbank calls for capital levy to avert government bankruptcies 28 Jan 2014 15:42 #11

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@ Gilly....thank you.
This is now starting to get a tad uncomfortable......for me personally not because I have money to worry about...but the consequences of what's brewing.
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Bundesbank calls for capital levy to avert government bankruptcies 28 Jan 2014 16:11 #12

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This is as good a place as any too....
A banker has died after jumping 500ft from the top of JP Morgan's European headquarters in London this morning.
The man, who is believed to be 39, fell from the 33 floor skyscraper and was found on the ninth floor roof of the Canary Wharf building.
A source close to the investigation told MailOnline the man was a banker, but JP Morgan, the world's largest bank by assets, said his name and job would not be released until his family were informed.

and.....
A former Deutsche Bank executive has been found dead at a house in London, it emerged today.
The body of William ‘Bill’ Broeksmit, 58, was discovered at his home in South Kensington on Sunday by police.
Mr Broeksmit - who retired last February - was a former senior manager with close ties to co-chief executive Anshu Jain.
Mr Jain and co-chief executive Juergen Fitschen said in an internal memo: ‘He was considered by many of his peers to be among the finest minds in the fields of risk and capital management.'

Both from here...
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2547275...rs-Canary-Wharf.html

You might want to give this a butchers too....
www.dcclothesline.com/2014/01/27/matt-dr...s-warning-exit-plan/
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Bundesbank calls for capital levy to avert government bankruptcies 28 Jan 2014 17:51 #13

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angelchemuel wrote:
@ Gilly....thank you.
This is now starting to get a tad uncomfortable......for me personally not because I have money to worry about...but the consequences of what's brewing.
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Thing is, look at Greece and Cyprus. Things got pretty heated for a while but the Troika got what they wanted. Mostly. A bloody good success rate anyway. I just see that being extrapolated out. We are indeed entering the last stages of the death of physical money imho. Not tomorrow but very soon in the grand scheme. The transition imho will involve similar scenes to Greece and Cyprus being repeated across the central banking world but ultimately no major societal collapse. There's no profit in seeing everyone dead from plastic bullets and drone strikes. Well a short term one maybe :chuckle:
The future after that will be very much more restricted than now....On the surface of it ;)
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Bundesbank calls for capital levy to avert government bankruptcies 28 Jan 2014 17:57 #14

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Another one on the same lines
The HSBC bank is limiting withdrawals in both the United States and in Britain
This development at HSBC should raise red flags for everyone, not just HSBC customers, because in the same time frame, JP Morgan Chase announced an identical policy. As a result, many financial analysts are predicting a bank run in the near future and this is the primary strategy of the banks as they are obviously bracing for an economic collapse.
Clearly, this is a portend of things to come. If the banks were on sound financial footing, account holders would not see any such restrictions. However, if you knew if a bank crash was coming, wouldn’t you make sure your bank was as liquid as possible? To the banks, being liquid and cautious in these perilous times means that the banks intend on making it very difficult for their customers to gain access to their money.

These are the chest pains before the heart attack. Take your money out of the bank while you still can.
More here:
intellihub.com/hsbc-and-chase-send-clear...-a-bank-run-is-near/

Expect more high-level banking resignations- and high level suicide jumps? All starting to echo the Great Depression?
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Bundesbank calls for capital levy to avert government bankruptcies 28 Jan 2014 18:01 #15

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I'm moving to Germany!!!

On a serious note, are their living standard better than ours? Their cars certainly are...

No.

Its only fair to state that certain small states with specific high paid jobs and low tax rates have a higher living standard overall.

Eg.
Scandinavia, Ireland, Iceland, Switzerland, Luxembourg.

The rest of the countries are not much better and many actually even worse than the UK. I've met a few Germans and they have basically similar gripes as the Brits do.

Primarily better conditions are due to lack of taxation such as council tax, water bills etc. So its more about less going out than whats coming in. Also as underlined above, its only specific workers in certain jobs that are better off, it has to be a very focused like for like comparison to be worthwhile.
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The agenda IMHO is to take us to the brink but not beyond it ;)

100% digital will be the proposed 'solution' with supposedly no hiding from taxation....

I think its still a few years off yet though, we'll probably see more of thus so called austerity for a long while yet. Most of the population don't even have 10k in the bank let alone 100k anyway so the bank guarantee will cover the 'plebs' lol..
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Austerity is the lead up to it imo. I give it a decade tops.
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Bundesbank calls for capital levy to avert government bankruptcies 28 Jan 2014 18:42 #18

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I'm moving to Germany!!!

On a serious note, are their living standard better than ours? Their cars certainly are...

No.

Its only fair to state that certain small states with specific high paid jobs and low tax rates have a higher living standard overall.

Eg.
Scandinavia, Ireland, Iceland, Switzerland, Luxembourg.

The rest of the countries are not much better and many actually even worse than the UK. I've met a few Germans and they have basically similar gripes as the Brits do.

Primarily better conditions are due to lack of taxation such as council tax, water bills etc. So its more about less going out than whats coming in. Also as underlined above, its only specific workers in certain jobs that are better off, it has to be a very focused like for like comparison to be worthwhile.

I guess it's also a similar situation as with China, where they're fast becoming the richest country in the world yet their citizens are treated like shit.
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Bundesbank calls for capital levy to avert government bankruptcies 28 Jan 2014 18:47 #19

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Just to remind people, I don't see anything occurring until 2016:

www.ibtimes.co.uk/european-central-bank-...eser-bail-ins-515557
Eurogroup Working Group's leader Thomas Wieser has revealed that the the eurozone should introduce bank bail-in rules from 2016.

According to a report in German publication Der Spiegel, Wieser called on authorities in the European Union to bring forward the 2018 deadline for the bail-in policy, in order to strengthen the continent's banking system.

The EU has been trying to work out how it can shore up Europe's fragile financial sector that has been a major casualty of the sovereign debt crisis that erupted in 2010.

A bail-in is designed to protect taxpayers from rescuing a bank in the event of financial crisis. Before bankruptcy can be declared, under current proposals, a bail-in is designed to impose losses on bondholders while leaving untouched other creditors of similar stature, such as derivatives counterparties.
I do anticipate something happening after that date.
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Bundesbank calls for capital levy to avert government bankruptcies 29 Jan 2014 03:11 #20

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Another angle on this - tho it's the Beeb reporting - and who knows what ''nudging'' they're being instructed to execute?

World War One's financial crisis - parallels with 2008
Exchange crashes and bank runs

Prof Richard Roberts, of King's College London, and author of Saving the City - the Great Financial Crisis of 1914, argues that the events of July and August were as bad as the City of London has ever seen, either before or since.

"In the week before Britain went to war all the London financial markets collapsed," he says.
A state of funk'

The debates in Parliament and in the City in 1914 bore an uncanny resemblance to those held in the aftermath of the bailouts of RBS and Lloyds/HBOS.

The concern about stigma being attached to those banks which went to the Bank of England to get access to emergency credit lines was voiced in 1914. Accusations that banks bailed out by the authorities were not lending to the wider economy were also heard.
The authorities' massive intervention propped up the financial system and kept it afloat as Britain went to war.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25882943

Bit of arms sales rhetoric?
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