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Threats of lynching are part of the 1st ammendment 07 Mar 2014 11:40 #1

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The Florida man who flew a Ku Klux Klan flag on his front lawn was defiant in the face of national outrage.

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"Hey, nobody stops the Puerto Ricans from flying their Puerto Rican flag or the Jews from having their yarmulke or whatever it is in the holidays," Hayes told Local 10 earlier this week. "I mean, everybody is entitled to do what they want to do. That's what this country is all about — freedom of speech."
"We're all about trying to preserve what's left of this white race, and that's all."

I recall such an argument. It led to me getting censored on and then banned from the DIF when I pointed out its flogic.

Read more: www.nydailynews.com/news/national/florid...713172#ixzz2vH8BTwNE
According to CBS Miami, the flag was taken down on Wednesday, although officials in the area ruled that legally he was allowed to keep it up. The man himself has declined requests to speak with the media, but his wife Marla Curly took the time to talk with CBS when a reporter arrived at her home with Curly’s mother, who wanted her daughter to stop the neighborhood’s outrage.

“Apologize to who? The Blacks and the Puerto Ricans? Just because he took the flag down doesn’t mean he feels any different,” Curly said. “He still feels the way he feels.”

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“It's really not a big deal,” she said. “Tell them to stop worrying. The black lady can stop worrying. We're not going to, you know, burn her house or kill her children … It's just not going to happen.”

The black lady's name is Margaret Martin and she is Curly's neighbour.
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Threats of lynching are part of the 1st ammendment 07 Mar 2014 13:50 #2

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Perfect logic to me. If I complained every time I was offended by something I would be permanently sectioned by the Fixated Threat Assessment Unit. Politicians offend me every time they speak.
My Rights End Where Yours Begin so give me space FFS
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Threats of lynching are part of the 1st ammendment 07 Mar 2014 17:27 #3

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Wise Haven wrote:
Perfect logic to me. If I complained every time I was offended by something I would be permanently sectioned by the Fixated Threat Assessment Unit. Politicians offend me every time they speak.

A noose is not so much "offensive" as threatening torture and death. Placed next to a KKK flag who have history of lynching (i.e. torturing and killing folks they don't like) then it points the threat at non WASP folks.

Would you appreciate your family threatened like them?

No this with "offending people" are two very different things.

And I suspect that some people know that they are different and are slyly talking about political correctness while laughing about lynching folk.
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Threats of lynching are part of the 1st ammendment 07 Mar 2014 17:48 #4

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It's a constant problem - someone is always trying to spin or present out of context. At the end of the day what matters is real actual threat or acts of violence.
All this sensitivity and PC culture does is create the perception of racism/hate by constantly reinforcing the idea. It creates friction that wouldn't normally have been present. Which, of course, is what it was intended to achieve in the first place.
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Threats of lynching are part of the 1st ammendment 07 Mar 2014 18:18 #5

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It's a matter of degree to me. A lot of the PC stuff is too over the top and busy-bodying.

But the Klan flag is an unmistakable symbol of overt ignorance, hatred and murderous minds, which to my mind, needs to be outlawed.


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Threats of lynching are part of the 1st ammendment 07 Mar 2014 18:51 #6

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Gilly wrote:
It's a matter of degree to me. A lot of the PC stuff is too over the top and busy-bodying.

But the Klan flag is an unmistakable symbol of overt ignorance, hatred and murderous minds, which to my mind, needs to be outlawed.


Yes to the red bit^^^ - But you can't legislate against dumb so no to outlawing it.......let the majority speak.
I know Gilly but I reckon the best way to deal with these idiot is just to laugh at- vigorously take the piss out of - satirize or ignore. Anger and fear only gives them power over you. All this PC-"I'm Offended " backlash only gives then self, righteous indignation and perverse justification that they are right in their predjudices. After all, predjudice usually comes from ignorance and FEAR.
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Threats of lynching are part of the 1st ammendment 07 Mar 2014 19:04 #7

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We'll have to agree to disagree on that then.

PC when it stops people cracking jokes, and waving your own country's flag in your own country - yep, ridiculous, and worthy of scorn in itself.

But allowing the promotion of murderous hatred? No, that's a massive step too far for me.
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Threats of lynching are part of the 1st ammendment 07 Mar 2014 19:04 #8

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Good choice of musical illustration BTW :thumbup:
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Threats of lynching are part of the 1st ammendment 07 Mar 2014 19:05 #9

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Thanking you. :)

It brings me out in goose bumps. :(
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Threats of lynching are part of the 1st ammendment 07 Mar 2014 19:09 #10

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Wise Haven wrote:
It's a constant problem - someone is always trying to spin or present out of context. At the end of the day what matters is real actual threat or acts of violence.
All this sensitivity and PC culture does is create the perception of racism/hate by constantly reinforcing the idea. It creates friction that wouldn't normally have been present. Which, of course, is what it was intended to achieve in the first place.

Maybe I wasn't clear. This is a noose. Not somebody saying "coloured" instead of "black" or chairman instead of chairperson.

A noose is an instrument of torture and death. And hanging outside the door near a flag that was used by people who committed such acts to intimidate people that would be targets themselves is a THREAT.

And why is THEIR free speech? Would they deliver similar threats of "Kill the Cracker!" or "Death to the Infidel" next to some extremist wackjob rag of a flag, then the fucking FBI would be throwing them into Gitmo.

Moreover, it would lead peaceful people into conflict: see Golden dawn and Greece for that happening right now.

And THAT is perhaps the hope of putting a noose on the front door. Sneaky snide cowardly act to frighten the mrs next door and his neighbours.

Cunt.
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Threats of lynching are part of the 1st ammendment 07 Mar 2014 19:10 #11

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Gilly wrote:
[b]We'll have to agree to disagree on that then.[/b]

PC when it stops people cracking jokes, and waving your own country's flag in your own country - yep, ridiculous, and worthy of scorn in itself.

But allowing the promotion of murderous hatred? No, that's a massive step too far for me.
You can't disagree - I'm right :D
The more air time and attention they get.... is more food to keep them alive. Marginalise a fuckwit and eventually they get the message - bit like Trolls - and the occasional jovial poke serves to remind them of their banal irrelevance.
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Threats of lynching are part of the 1st ammendment 07 Mar 2014 19:19 #12

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mikey mikey wrote:
Wise Haven wrote:
It's a constant problem - someone is always trying to spin or present out of context. At the end of the day what matters is real actual threat or acts of violence.
All this sensitivity and PC culture does is create the perception of racism/hate by constantly reinforcing the idea. It creates friction that wouldn't normally have been present. Which, of course, is what it was intended to achieve in the first place.

Maybe I wasn't clear. This is a noose. Not somebody saying "coloured" instead of "black" or chairman instead of chairperson.

A noose is an instrument of torture and death. And hanging outside the door near a flag that was used by people who committed such acts to intimidate people that would be targets themselves is a THREAT.

And why is THEIR free speech? Would they deliver similar threats of "Kill the Cracker!" or "Death to the Infidel" next to some extremist wackjob rag of a flag, then the fucking FBI would be throwing them into Gitmo.

Moreover, it would lead peaceful people into conflict: see Golden dawn and Greece for that happening right now.

And THAT is perhaps the hope of putting a noose on the front door. Sneaky snide cowardly act to frighten the mrs next door and his neighbours.

Cunt.
I can understand your point of view Mikey - but my life experiences dealing with bullys and retards is to deal with it in different ways. Never give in to fear, offer kindness in return for hate, never descend to their level, laugh about it - and if all else fails ignore it.
I know it isn't always that simple - and can be a hell of a lot toughter and in some cases downright dangerous. Horses for courses,,,,,

ETA: Just spotted the "Cunt" at the end :O Tell me it wasn't for me....self esteem crumbling, must - eat - :spam:
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Threats of lynching are part of the 1st ammendment 07 Mar 2014 19:28 #13

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No, dear God

It was for that trash of a bloke who sent his Mrs up to deal with the press because he's doesn't have the courage of his twisted convictions.

Sorry for any unintended offence. ;(
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Threats of lynching are part of the 1st ammendment 07 Mar 2014 19:44 #14

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I didn't think it was aimed at me Mikey - I was just playing to the crowd :band:

No offence taken :beer:
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