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Grenfell Tower Fire in London 14 Jun 2017 23:18 #1

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Isn't it funny how non-World Trade Centre buildings can be absolutely engulfed in flames for 24 hours, but they never collapse?

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I hope the architects who designed the WTC Towers (which, of course, we should have naturally expected to 'collapse' the way that they did) didn't design any more buildings.
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Grenfell Tower Fire in London 15 Jun 2017 10:56 #2

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It's an appalling tragedy.

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/london-fir...=BBoPWjQ&ocid=TSHDHP

And from what I am reading, the breakages of safety laws, cost-cutting and use of materials and methods KNOWN to be dangerous has got to mean heads roll this time. This is "corporate manslaughter", and that includes the corporations of Local and National Government, who gave more time and effort to silencing those who were revealing the dangers for years than on doing anything to correct matters for this building and the many others that are at just as much risk today.

They knew. Undeniably.

RIP to those who have died, anticipated to reach figures of "over 100". :rose:


ETA: Well, the talking heads are muttering from certain angles about "arrests needing to be made", we'll see how that goes since corporate manslaughter is rife today:

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/grenfell-t...=BBoPWjQ&ocid=TSHDHP
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Grenfell Tower Fire in London 16 Jun 2017 18:53 #3

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Yes, I was thinking of the WTC comparison also WUB.

Re Grenfell Tower, I want to know what the true value of the several million pound refurbishment was genuinely spent on proper materials, and how much was just creamed off. The ones responsible had better be haunted by what their ruthless greed did, and the fact that some of those who perished are beyond being identified by next of kin. .
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Grenfell Tower Fire in London 16 Jun 2017 19:52 #4

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There aren't words for this :mad:

Anger is quite rightly beginning to boil over. Before, during and after, the people of Grenfell Tower and the locale have been completely shafted by the state. The blowback has started in earnest today and this single event marks a turning point. We, the people of the British Islands must not let this slip from attention. The spotlight has to be maintained on the system that has made this happen and all involved. The media will try and turn the attention away in a few days but we can't let that happen. These Islands have to stand with these people and heads have to roll. A new way has to be born of this.
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Grenfell Tower Fire in London 17 Jun 2017 02:01 #5

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A local resident expresses his views on the medias coverage of the Grenfell Tower and calls for a revolution.
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Grenfell Tower Fire in London 17 Jun 2017 13:44 #6

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Well, the arse-covering is already being flagged-up:

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/grenfell-t...=BBoPRmx&ocid=TSHDHP

A lot of the problems and faults overtly leading to this tragedy are already known and documented, so why it is being buried at this time (and by the hierarchy of the hero fire services)? Get Away Time being given?

Compare this with the speed of dealings when it came to the truly ghoulish and disrespectful man who took a photo of the body of a person who had jumped from the building and then published it on line. He has already been grabbed, charged, tried and imprisoned for 3 months.

www.itv.com/news/2017-06-16/man-who-took...tims-body-is-jailed/

Yes, what he did was horrible - although nothing more or worse than our media who frequently publish pictures of the dead in those places we've helped to bomb the shite out of or starve out of existence - but it seems the pursuit of this type of idiot is always met with utterly supreme force.... and the Big Boys and Girls get a bit of a limp-wristed flap at them.

British Justice at its best, eh.

The criminality of the political classes at local and national level needs to be blown wide open and gone through with a fine tooth comb. OMG, the nits and lice that will be gathered in that sweep!

www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/the-catast...=BBx1bGE&ocid=TSHDHP
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Grenfell Tower Fire in London 18 Jun 2017 00:18 #7

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Awful.
Deeply sad for those affected.
This is (correct me if I'm wrong) probably the biggest non-terror related tragedy here since Hillsborough.
What's happened here has ramifications through various departments that have failed to do their job properly. Scapegoats will be made and folk will face the axe but the true villains will escape any persecution.
It baffles me that there isn't some sort of makeshift escape plan by the fire brigade for something like this..... obviously having a total lack of funding doesn't help.... but we live in a world where amusement rides and so on are abundant, yet it's apparently not feesable to create some sort of makeshift slide or tube to enable people to escape. Obviously the idea is that that fire shouldn't spread in the first place but that shouldn't stop back up plans for all sorts of events that could happen.
The technology exists to wipe out fires using sound waves..... but we live in a perverse world where our value systems are turned upside down in favour of profit for the likes of greedy landlords who want the cheapest and flammable cladding for the building. Enough.
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Grenfell Tower Fire in London 18 Jun 2017 12:57 #8

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Water sprinklers would have been a good start.
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Grenfell Tower Fire in London 21 Jun 2017 15:00 #9

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Did't Boris buy some water cannons or did austerity stop that too? :p

Sickening tbh, I notice the media were whining about having to put the 'riff raff' up in empty 'luxury flats'.
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Grenfell Tower Fire in London 23 Jun 2017 00:48 #10

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The PTB are still promoting a Victorian mind set which involves creating a facade symbolically and physically as in the cladding used at Grenfell tower.

The cast system the PTB created by many years of propaganda is ingrained in so many people now it's difficult to envisage the people ever regaining their humanity and spiritualty.
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