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Re: Julian Assange Ecuadorian embassy raid? 16 Aug 2012 15:10 #41

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Sweden summons Ecuador's ambassador, calls Assange asylum decision 'unacceptable'
www.whbf.com/story/19293968/sweden-summo...ecision-unacceptable
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British QC who insists that the 1987 legislation could not be used to enter the Ecuadorian Embassy in Mr Assange's case.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/ecua...anguage-8052991.html
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Re: Julian Assange Ecuadorian embassy raid? 16 Aug 2012 17:45 #43

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.@WilliamJHague: #Assange faces serious charges in country with the highest standards of law & where his rights are guaranteed.

Dear Mr. Hague,

Mr Assange does not face charges because he has not been charged. Moreover, Sweden declined to guarentee that he would not be extradicted to the US.

The fact that you are unaware of this might suggest that you are unfit to handle this case.
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Re: Julian Assange Ecuadorian embassy raid? 16 Aug 2012 18:35 #44

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Keep in mind the same William Hague, (when leader of the Tories), was opposed to that murdering bastard
Gen Augusto Pinochet being extradited to Spain in 1999 for human rights abuses like; conspiracy to torture, torture, hostage-taking, conspiracy to murder, throwing opponents out of planes etc. (Thatcher idolised the nasty little fuck).

Of course he was allowed to freely jet out of here by Jack Straw.
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Re: Julian Assange Ecuadorian embassy raid? 16 Aug 2012 19:09 #45

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feather wrote:
Keep in mind the same William Hague, (when leader of the Tories), was opposed to that murdering bastard
Gen Augusto Pinochet being extradited to Spain in 1999 for human rights abuses like; conspiracy to torture, torture, hostage-taking, conspiracy to murder, throwing opponents out of planes etc. (Thatcher idolised the nasty little fuck).

Of course he was allowed to freely jet out of here by Jack Straw.

Exactamundo. ;)
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Re: Julian Assange Ecuadorian embassy raid? 16 Aug 2012 19:10 #46

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mikey mikey wrote:
.@WilliamJHague: #Assange faces serious charges in country with the highest standards of law & where his rights are guaranteed.

Dear Mr. Hague,

Mr Assange does not face charges because he has not been charged. Moreover, Sweden declined to guarentee that he would not be extradicted to the US.

The fact that you are unaware of this might suggest that you are unfit to handle this case.

I've been looking at the FO twitter page and the word "charges" now reads "allegations". I went to the FO site where they have transcribed the speech that quote is from. Again it has the words "allegations". Has anyone seen footage of Hague giving the statement? If so which word did he use?
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Re: Julian Assange Ecuadorian embassy raid? 16 Aug 2012 19:14 #47

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I'll bet the little twerp's dropped a bollock with his wording.
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1) I thought embassies were neutral territory and could not be raided?
2) If he was granted asylum, and have to leave embassy grounds, will he not be arrested immediately upon doing so?
3) Does Ecuador have an extradition treaty?
4) I can see why they granted it to him after the police and everyone swarmed the damn place...it was obvious they wanted him bad and probably not for very good reasons.
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Re: Julian Assange Ecuadorian embassy raid? 16 Aug 2012 19:55 #49

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StarsChildren wrote:
1) I thought embassies were neutral territory and could not be raided?
They are treated as the Sovereign territory of the country they represent
2) If he was granted asylum, and have to leave embassy grounds, will he not be arrested immediately upon doing so?
Pretty much yes, though the embassy vehicles have diplomatic immunity and I've heard he could avoid it if he is declared a UN ambassador by Ecuador
3) Does Ecuador have an extradition treaty?
Not with Britain I don't think
4) I can see why they granted it to him after the police and everyone swarmed the damn place...it was obvious they wanted him bad and probably not for very good reasons.
Yes indeed
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Re: Julian Assange Ecuadorian embassy raid? 16 Aug 2012 21:05 #50

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feather wrote:
Keep in mind the same William Hague, (when leader of the Tories), was opposed to that murdering bastard
Gen Augusto Pinochet being extradited to Spain in 1999 for human rights abuses like; conspiracy to torture, torture, hostage-taking, conspiracy to murder, throwing opponents out of planes etc. (Thatcher idolised the nasty little fuck).

Of course he was allowed to freely jet out of here by Jack Straw.
Not to mention the fact that the US put Pinochet into power in the first place:



I just heard someone on the BBC news describe Assange as the "sitting tenant from hell". This seems a little melodramatic! I haven't really been following this story because the way it's unfolding is entirely predictable and depressing, but it does seem that Assange is being made an example to others, and possibly a scapegoat to justify an extended policy in this area.
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Re: Julian Assange Ecuadorian embassy raid? 16 Aug 2012 21:11 #51

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
it does seem that Assange is being made an example to others, and possibly a scapegoat to justify an extended policy in this area.
This^^^
Assange is being gone after in this way as a strong message to anyone who ever thinks they can stand up in opposition to the covert, underhand machinations of the corporofascist imperialists.
If he ends up in the US I can see his body being hoisted onto a pole to stand at the gate of the tinterwebz as a reminder to all who enter to STFU.
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Re: Julian Assange Ecuadorian embassy raid? 16 Aug 2012 21:16 #52

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dubmeup wrote:
If he ends up in the US I can see his body being hoisted onto a pole to stand at the gate of the tinterwebz as a reminder to all who enter to STFU.
Well, I haven't followed this story at all, although I am grateful to Wikileaks for releasing Bilderberg minutes. But I just caught about twenty seconds of the BBC news, and heard this quotation, as the lead item on the BBC news (actually I just found a reference to it):

members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1345139295.html

"Ecuador now has the sitting tenant from hell. Let Assange and Ecuador stew in their own juices. Justice will prevail."

This is an incredibly strong statement. Not just from anyone, but from Sir Christopher Meyer, former British Ambassador to the US. It reminds me of when the US went to great lengths to extradite the completely harmless Bobby Fischer. But I just thought as soon as I heard it that at the very least they're making an example of him.
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Re: Julian Assange Ecuadorian embassy raid? 16 Aug 2012 21:23 #53

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Have you not seen the chatter from the US for the past few months WUB? Talk show hosts, former diplomats, corporatists, dozens of them, all going on record calling for Assange's assassination..
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Yep dub. here's a brief but incomplete summary


Sarah Palin
Former US Vice Presidential Candidate
Julian Assange should be targeted like the Taliban
www.computerworlduk.com/news/it-business...ge-like-the-taliban/


Thomas Flanagan
former advisor to Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper
I think Assange should be assassinated, actually. (laughs) I think Obama should put out a contract or use a drone or something. I wouldn't feel happy, uh, unhappy, if Assange disappeared.
freedomradar.com/news/39-world-news/72-t...-julian-assange.html

Bob Beckel
FOX News commentator
A dead man can't leak stuff...This guy's a traitor, he's treasonous, and he has broken every law of the United States. And I'm not for the death penalty, so...there's only one way to do it: illegally shoot the son of a bitch.
www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/07/fox-ne...-calls_n_793467.html


Eric Bolling
FOX News commentator
[Assange] should be underground -- six feet underground. ... He should be put in jail or worse, hanged in a public forum.




Todd Schnitt
Radio Host
ASSANGE IS A TERRORIST, AN ENEMY COMBATANT, AND NEEDS TO BE TREATED AS SUCH, SCHNITT HAS SAID REPEATEDLY ON HIS PROGRAM WHICH AIRS WEEKDAYS FROM 3:00pm-6:00pm EST.
www.schnittshow.com/pages/reward.html


Jeffrey Kuhner
Washington Times columnist
Headline: Assassinate Assange? Body: Julian Assange poses a clear and present danger to American national security ... The administration must take care of the problem - effectively and permanently.

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/2/assassinate-assange/


John Hawkins
Far-right blogger
Julian Assange is not an American citizen and he has no constitutional rights. So, there's no reason that the CIA can't kill him. Moreover, ask yourself a simple question: If Julian Assange is shot in the head tomorrow or if his car is blown up when he turns the key, what message do you think that would send about releasing sensitive American data?
townhall.com/columnists/JohnHawkins/2010...ulian_assange/page/2


Ralph Peters
U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel and author
Julian Assange is a cyber terrorist in wartime, he's guilty of sabotage, espionage, crimes against humanity -- he should be killed, but we won't do that.

rightwingnews.com/2010/07/the-cia-should-kill-julian-assange/


Ralph Peters
U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel and author
I do not believe in leaks. I would execute leakers. They're betraying our country.

www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-va...nge-should-be-killed


Steve Gill
Right-wing Nashville radio host
Folks like Julian Assange should be targeted as terrorists. They should be captured and kept in Guantanamo Bay, or killed.

www.nashvillescene.com/pitw/archives/201...ll-wikileaks-founder


Rush Limbaugh
Right-wing radio talk show host
Back in the old days when men were men and countries were countries, this guy would die of lead poisoning from a bullet in the brain.

www.theodoresworld.net/archives/2010/11/...n_wikileaks_fou.html


William Kristol
Editor of the Weekly Standard
Why can't we act forcefully against WikiLeaks? Why can't we use our various assets to harass, snatch or neutralize Julian Assange and his collaborators, wherever they are?
www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/whack-wikileaks_520462.html


G. Gordon Liddy
Former White House Adviser, talk show host
This fellow Anwar al-Awlaki - a joint U.S. citizen hiding out in Yemen - is on a 'kill list' [for inciting terrorism against the U.S.]. Mr. Assange should be put on the same list.
www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=234905


Deroy Murdock
Columnist for National Review
If convicted, [Bradley Manning] should be placed against a wall and executed by firing squad. (If extradited here, Assange deserves the same sendoff.)
www.nationalreview.com/articles/255483/w...at-ifs-deroy-murdock


Johan Goldberg
Editor-at-large of National Review Online
I'd like to ask a simple question: Why isn't Julian Assange dead? ...Why wasn't Assange garroted in his hotel room years ago? It's a serious question.
www.nationalreview.com/articles/251393/a...front-jonah-goldberg


Donald Douglas
Blogger, Right Wing News
I won't think twice if Julian Assange meets the cold blade of an assassin, and apparently a significant number of others don't care for the guy.
rightwingnews.com/author/donald-douglas/


Paul Holmes
New Zealand Herald Columnist
I suppose they'll kill him, [Assange]. I would if I were them.

www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cf...=2&objectid=10693684


Mike Huckabee
Former Governor of Arkansas and FOX News talk show host
Whoever in our government leaked that information is guilty of treason, and I think anything less than execution is too kind a penalty.
www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/mike-huc...n-of-julian-assange/


The CIA
You Know Who They Are
"If legal attacks on Assange fail, he'll simply be assassinated by the CIA." -Paul Craig Roberts



Jason Lancaster
President of Spork Marketing
Assange is not a political figure... He represents a danger to the USA and he should be killed ASAP.
jasonlancaster.com/34/usa-assassinate-wikileaks-founder/

www.rightwingnews.com/foreign-affairs/th...kill-julian-assange/
In Assange’s case, he’s not an American and so he has no constitutional protection. Moreover, he’s going to get a lot of people killed.

Can we do anything legally about someone from another country leaking this information? Maybe not. Can we have a CIA agent with a sniper rifle rattle a bullet around his skull the next time he appears in public as a warning? You bet we can — and we should. If that’s too garish for people, then the CIA can kill him and make it look like an accident.

Either way, Julian Assange deserves to die for what he’s done and he should be killed to send a message loud enough to convince other people not to publish documents like this in the future.
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Re: Julian Assange Ecuadorian embassy raid? 16 Aug 2012 21:43 #55

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I hadn't seen all that stuff, but it doesn't surprise me. Some of these people are mentally ill. Some of them, of course, know exactly what they're doing, but many of them have an acute case of Stockholm Syndrome.

I've been avoiding this story because it's all unfolding in a sad and predictable fashion, and I'm sure what Paul Craig Roberts has said is completely correct. The BBC will tell everyone that Assange is an evil man; indeed they already are. Everyone will suck it up like it's as sweet as chocolate, and some sort of bill will be passed.
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Extradition expert Anand Doobay has just put paid to Tariq Ali's idea that Assange become a member of embassy staff in order to avoid arrest: to be a diplomat in the UK, you must be accredited by the government.

Doobay said another suggestion that he be smuggled out in a "diplomatic bag" – usually used to carry post and papers – was far fetched. "Ecuador would have to breach the Vienna Convention on diplomatic relations," he said.
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Re: Julian Assange Ecuadorian embassy raid? 16 Aug 2012 22:08 #57

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I was just saying on chat... 'Assange looks remarkably like Anders Behring Breivi'
Completely bloodline and clearly an agent of some kind... Anyone think Assange is bloodline and therefore working as an agent operative?
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Master11 wrote:

I was just saying on chat... 'Assange looks remarkably like Anders Behring Breivi'

Surely you mean, Breivi and Assange both look very Swedish given that's the country they're from?
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StarsChildren wrote:
1) I thought embassies were neutral territory and could not be raided?
2) If he was granted asylum, and have to leave embassy grounds, will he not be arrested immediately upon doing so?
3) Does Ecuador have an extradition treaty?
4) I can see why they granted it to him after the police and everyone swarmed the damn place...it was obvious they wanted him bad and probably not for very good reasons.

The UK Government passed a law (Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987) where they can strip an embassy of it's powers if i understand the law correctly.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1987/46
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