What would a political party have to have on their manifesto to convince you to vote for them?

Something to the effect of "You are free to do whatever you want as long as you aren't hurting any one else."

I won't be voting again any time soon. Really doesn't matter what's in the manifesto, does it?

Ab so what in your opinion happens in the absence of opposition?

K-Bone, why would it have to be such a huge leap would you vote for a party who's manifesto included essential steps to reaching that situation?

Guevarista wrote:
You think voting counts as 'opposition' in Britain today?

Guevarista wrote:
Exactly what will happen even with "opposition".

Ab to clarify my question, in the absence of political representation for lot's of people who oppose Economic neo-liberalism, Capitalism and global warfare etc, what does that opposition do?

Does it gradually dissipate, compromise, become radicalized?

What happens?

Ab Origine wrote:
This is so true. I had this "theory" I developed about politics back in school(The Milkshake Machine Theory).

In Elementary school, whoever was running for Class President would promise a pizza or ice cream party to the students if they won. I don't ever recall having a pizza party(or ice cream)!

In Middle School, all the "candidates" promised to get a milkshake machine for the lunchroom...of course, we did not get a fucking milkshake machine!

That's when I first learned to distrust politicians. They were groomed to be lying, thieving scumbags.

Guevarista wrote:
Either remove themselves completely from the game as much as possible or play along. Same as they ever have, imo.

I don't believe there to be any real representation for those that oppose what you have outlined. If there were, these things would have been done away with long ago. The game is rigged from the outset as far as I can see, hence, my non-participation.

And yes, I imagine that opposition will gradually dissipate, compromise or become radicalized. Again, much as it ever has. This is how the current set up works. And again, hence my non-participation. Start from scratch and I may become interested again, but I doubt that will happen in my lifetime, at least.

This, ofc, is just my opinion. I am not nearly well educated or informed enough about such things to enter into any lengthy debate, unfortunately.

If you're hoping for a 'Glorious Revolution'....forget it.

Ain't gonna happen...

Guevarista wrote:

I never said I wouldn't consider that. Depends on what their manifesto is. What's in the "fine print"?

K-Bone wrote:
Somebody get this woman a chuffin' milkshake/ice cream!!

She has milk-related 'issues', I reckon.

Ab Origine wrote:
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard...

So you do accept that political activity can be effective?

So to clarify, in the absence of a Political Party to vote for, the people in opposition to the status quo dissipate, atomize, compromise or become radicalized?

I would agree with that to be honest, so am interested especially in what you think are issues that should be in a relevant opposition party manfesto.

What would you vote for, are there particular issues that stand out as important that no political party addresses?

diamondgeezer wrote: What's going to happen then DG?

Guevarista wrote:
In the UK?
Nothing, they just continue to get shafted.

Guevarista wrote:
Of course. On paper, it should all work pretty seamlessly. But this is not the reality, is it?

Ab I disagree, politically people have made gains against big business, sadly since the 80's most evidence of that is gone, which also shows that Politics can serve the interests of big business, economically effecting massive and fundamental changes to the way Britain operates in less than 20years, completely infiltrating british politics, media, industry, and currently looking to further attack public services in line with Global Free Trade Agreements.

I would say in Britain Socialist governments have never gone far enough, they certainly never went as far as Thatcher's Government went in the 70's and 80's or Blairs Centrist New Labour went in the 90's and 00's.

K-Bone wrote:
the fine print is compulsory nudity on a tuesday.

Guevarista wrote:
Perhaps this is why my view of the whole thing is so coloured? I don't remember it any different and it is sometimes difficult to glean anything other than echoes of the current situation from historical documents.