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Nick Griffin praises Mondragon 11 Dec 2012 13:20 #1

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Just like Oswald Mosely did back in the day


Nick Griffin MEP tweets in support of workers co-ops...

@MickDay5: Workers co-ops aren't socialist in the destructive Marxist
sense. John Lewis, Mondragon co-ops etc prove they work.

twitter.com/nickgriffinmep
www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/12/504064.html

I don't tweet so can't verify this. I can however make a pretty educated guess as to what form of socialism he'd be applying to any co-op he got involved in!
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Re: Nick Griffin praises Mondragon 11 Dec 2012 14:27 #2

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oioioi wrote:
I don't tweet so can't verify this. I can however make a pretty educated guess as to what form of socialism he'd be applying to any co-op he got involved in!



Me, sir! Me, sir!

Is it National? :)
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Re: Nick Griffin praises Mondragon 11 Dec 2012 14:45 #4

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oioioi wrote:
Just like Oswald Mosely did back in the day


Nick Griffin MEP tweets in support of workers co-ops...

@MickDay5: Workers co-ops aren't socialist in the destructive Marxist
sense. John Lewis, Mondragon co-ops etc prove they work.

twitter.com/nickgriffinmep
www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/12/504064.html

I don't tweet so can't verify this. I can however make a pretty educated guess as to what form of socialism he'd be applying to any co-op he got involved in!
Mondragon is Basque Nationalist Distributist imo, interesting the subject just came up in another thread:
sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/General/83248-Th...it=20&start=20#83449
The history of Cooperatives under Mussolini is also quite good reading, I can't wait to see what andyh say ;)
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
Last Edit: 11 Dec 2012 14:47 by Guevarista.
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Re: Nick Griffin praises Mondragon 11 Dec 2012 15:51 #5

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All very well and good, but they don't have to stick to anything that they're saying. They don't make any mention to direct democracy on their website, except with reference to an EU referendum. Even the British Libertarian party don't make any mention of it on their website. Ironically the only British political party that I've ever seen make any mention of direct democracy is UKIP, who are also openly pro-monarchy.

Representative democracy doesn't work because the representatives never do what they say they're going to do. As for Griffin, would anyone with any sense trust him to keep his word? I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him, and looking at the size of the fat cunt that wouldn't be all that far.
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Re: Nick Griffin praises Mondragon 11 Dec 2012 22:37 #6

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Gri££in & his cronies are just low level scammers, fraudsters & conmen. They're nowhere near good enough at it to get into government.
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Re: Nick Griffin praises Mondragon 11 Dec 2012 22:45 #7

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Guevarista wrote:
oioioi wrote:
Just like Oswald Mosely did back in the day


Nick Griffin MEP tweets in support of workers co-ops...

@MickDay5: Workers co-ops aren't socialist in the destructive Marxist
sense. John Lewis, Mondragon co-ops etc prove they work.

twitter.com/nickgriffinmep
www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/12/504064.html

I don't tweet so can't verify this. I can however make a pretty educated guess as to what form of socialism he'd be applying to any co-op he got involved in!
Mondragon is Basque Nationalist Distributist imo, interesting the subject just came up in another thread:
sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/General/83248-Th...it=20&start=20#83449
The history of Cooperatives under Mussolini is also quite good reading, I can't wait to see what andyh say ;)

Its not nationalist just cos Nick Griffin says so :facepalm:
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Re: Nick Griffin praises Mondragon 11 Dec 2012 22:46 #8

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
All very well and good, but they don't have to stick to anything that they're saying. They don't make any mention to direct democracy on their website, except with reference to an EU referendum. Even the British Libertarian party don't make any mention of it on their website. Ironically the only British political party that I've ever seen make any mention of direct democracy is UKIP, who are also openly pro-monarchy.

Representative democracy doesn't work because the representatives never do what they say they're going to do. As for Griffin, would anyone with any sense trust him to keep his word? I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him, and looking at the size of the fat cunt that wouldn't be all that far.

He's basically trying to appeal to people like me...and failing epically.
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Re: Nick Griffin praises Mondragon 11 Dec 2012 22:51 #9

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Guevarista wrote:
oioioi wrote:
Just like Oswald Mosely did back in the day


Nick Griffin MEP tweets in support of workers co-ops...

@MickDay5: Workers co-ops aren't socialist in the destructive Marxist
sense. John Lewis, Mondragon co-ops etc prove they work.

twitter.com/nickgriffinmep
www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/12/504064.html

I don't tweet so can't verify this. I can however make a pretty educated guess as to what form of socialism he'd be applying to any co-op he got involved in!
Mondragon is Basque Nationalist Distributist imo, interesting the subject just came up in another thread:
sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/General/83248-Th...it=20&start=20#83449
The history of Cooperatives under Mussolini is also quite good reading, I can't wait to see what andyh say ;)

BNP = National Syndicalism

Mondragon = Anarcho Syndicalism.

Do let me know when you figure out the difference and why.
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Re: Nick Griffin praises Mondragon 11 Dec 2012 23:12 #10

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I had you and this smiley in mind andy :poke: when I posted :hahano:
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Re: Nick Griffin praises Mondragon 11 Dec 2012 23:18 #11

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oioioi wrote:
I had you and this smiley in mind andy :poke: when I posted :hahano:

lol I doubt he knows the difference.

You do.
Dubs does.
Wub does.
Mikey does.

Most other people have not educated themselves on the subtle difference (that is not so subtle when you see it).

We'll give Gue a prize if he does, lol.
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Re: Nick Griffin praises Mondragon 11 Dec 2012 23:53 #12

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andyh wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
oioioi wrote:
Just like Oswald Mosely did back in the day


Nick Griffin MEP tweets in support of workers co-ops...

@MickDay5: Workers co-ops aren't socialist in the destructive Marxist
sense. John Lewis, Mondragon co-ops etc prove they work.

twitter.com/nickgriffinmep
www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/12/504064.html

I don't tweet so can't verify this. I can however make a pretty educated guess as to what form of socialism he'd be applying to any co-op he got involved in!
Mondragon is Basque Nationalist Distributist imo, interesting the subject just came up in another thread:
sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/General/83248-Th...it=20&start=20#83449
The history of Cooperatives under Mussolini is also quite good reading, I can't wait to see what andyh say ;)

BNP = National Syndicalism

Mondragon = Anarcho Syndicalism.

Do let me know when you figure out the difference and why.
The reality is they do share similarities in terms of structure, hierarchy and ideology the difference is that Mondragon does have a radical left wing.
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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Re: Nick Griffin praises Mondragon 11 Dec 2012 23:59 #13

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Guevarista wrote:
The reality is they do share similarities in terms of structure, hierarchy and ideology the difference is that Mondragon does have a radical left wing.

I am as convinced of Nick Griffin's genuine advocay of Mondragon as I am conviced of your genuine advocay of Marxism.
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Re: Nick Griffin praises Mondragon 12 Dec 2012 00:09 #14

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Guevarista wrote:
andyh wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
oioioi wrote:
Just like Oswald Mosely did back in the day


Nick Griffin MEP tweets in support of workers co-ops...

@MickDay5: Workers co-ops aren't socialist in the destructive Marxist
sense. John Lewis, Mondragon co-ops etc prove they work.

twitter.com/nickgriffinmep
www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/12/504064.html

I don't tweet so can't verify this. I can however make a pretty educated guess as to what form of socialism he'd be applying to any co-op he got involved in!
Mondragon is Basque Nationalist Distributist imo, interesting the subject just came up in another thread:
sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/General/83248-Th...it=20&start=20#83449
The history of Cooperatives under Mussolini is also quite good reading, I can't wait to see what andyh say ;)

BNP = National Syndicalism

Mondragon = Anarcho Syndicalism.

Do let me know when you figure out the difference and why.
The reality is they do share similarities in terms of structure, hierarchy and ideology the difference is that Mondragon does have a radical left wing.

You can do better than that lol :)
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Re: Nick Griffin praises Mondragon 12 Dec 2012 00:10 #15

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mikey mikey wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
The reality is they do share similarities in terms of structure, hierarchy and ideology the difference is that Mondragon does have a radical left wing.

I am as convinced of Nick Griffin's genuine advocay of Mondragon as I am conviced of your genuine advocay of Marxism.

Thats better alright but not what I meant :D
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mikey mikey wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
The reality is they do share similarities in terms of structure, hierarchy and ideology the difference is that Mondragon does have a radical left wing.

I am as convinced of Nick Griffin's genuine advocay of Mondragon as I am conviced of your genuine advocay of Marxism.
Various responses to poverty pop up and come and go, by far the most developed and comprehensive in my opinion is the Western Marxist and European Leftist Tradition which gave rise to many of the concepts within the Mondragon ethos, the good Christian Father who founded it was an avid reader of Mao himself as the story goes ;)
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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Guevarista wrote:
mikey mikey wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
The reality is they do share similarities in terms of structure, hierarchy and ideology the difference is that Mondragon does have a radical left wing.

I am as convinced of Nick Griffin's genuine advocay of Mondragon as I am conviced of your genuine advocay of Marxism.
Various responses to poverty pop up and come and go, by far the most developed and comprehensive in my opinion is the Western Marxist and European Leftist Tradition which gave rise to many of the concepts within the Mondragon ethos, the good Christian Father who founded it was an avid reader of Mao himself as the story goes ;)

Well?

Do you know the difference between national syndicalism and anarcho-syndicalism yet? :p
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Guevarista wrote:
Various responses to poverty pop up and come and go, by far the most developed and comprehensive in my opinion is the Western Marxist and European Leftist Tradition

Whether these reponses to poverty were "developed and comprehensive" or not does not mean you support them. In fact, judging from your description of them (in bold), you seem not to.
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Guevarista wrote:
good Christian Father who founded it was an avid reader of Mao himself as the story goes ;)

He was, like many in the RCC, a distributavist.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism#Mondragon_Corporation
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mikey mikey wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
good Christian Father who founded it was an avid reader of Mao himself as the story goes ;)

He was, like many in the RCC, a distributavist.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism#Mondragon_Corporation

Yes Mondragon is defintely linked to distributism.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain the difference between national syndicalism and anarcho syndicalism though because it will explain why Nick Griffin tries to identify with it :)
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