feather wrote:
I hope the latter but yeah, that becomes a head fuck hoping society doesn't think murder is acceptable and then having to protect murderers from being murdered!

feather wrote:
I've always thought that this is a big part of why perpetrators' details are kept secret. People become so angry about these things, I don't think it's does any good if someone's parents join a lynch mob and kill somebody. I think things would deteriorate pretty quickly if things like that were going on, we'd be back to the dark ages when people used to burn witches. There has to be a more civilised way of dealing with people who commit heinous crimes, not so much for their benefit even, but for the greater good.

Also, I saw the Venable & Thompson photos on F/book. I can honestly not say whether they are genuine, however, all it takes is one misguided vigilante style attack and innocent people's lives could be ruined.

Sadly, we probably to need to keep their identities secret, so we can stop people doing anything hasty that will fuck their own lives up.

oioioi wrote: What is their punishment for? Surely they come out reformed characters, otherwise what would be the point of the punishment?

Mike wrote:
Erm, that's been my point. This system doesn't really seem to serve any involved parties.

i dunno, i dont think you fix people. you just offer them choice of life in a cell or life outside. which do they want more? its a fucking joke to suggest prison is reform school.

oioioi wrote: Sorry I was agreeing in an underhanded way, the people who operate it will never admit this though.

Just read a pretty bad story but when this guy hit's jail he's fucked:
link

Mike wrote: Oh fuck aye!

and he only got a year for that?
I've known plenty get much longer for just shoplifting.

feather wrote:
1 year, which equates to six months, for physically abusing a baby! Yep, 'we' learnt our lesson with James Bulger.

Crimes against capital do tend to be punished harsher than crimes against each other. Murder can have "extenuating circumstances" I don't think armed blags have the same leeway!

For everyones sake, they should get them out the UK. It's the only solution.

That link of mikes just shows what a fucking farce the judicial system is and more importantly, why people will feel the need to deliver justice themselves in certain cases.

I know where I stand when it comes to cunts like the one in that link. I'd do time with a smile on my face for fucks like that!!!

I can understand why people take the law into their own hands over things like this, but as a parent, I just couldn't do it. It would mean my son has a murderer for a mother, or that I would end up in jail.

It's plain to see that the people in power such as Judge Christopher Critchlow are cut from the same cloth as the psychopaths such as Mark Weatherall.

I believe the balance of non psychopaths and psychopaths has shifted in favour of psychopaths,they have outbred non psychopaths.

They might be at different levels in society from Royalty to serf but they think the same way.

humanspirit wrote:
One thinks he is all powerful and abuses his position to exploit and abuse those weaker than him...the other was found guilty of abusing a kid.

oioioi wrote: Badumtissssh!

psketti wrote:
A potential problem then would be that they might maul or murder some child/children wherever they're sent. If the boot was on the other foot, I wouldn't feel happy about other countries sending their murderous, child-porno circulating scum over here.

I'm not even going to look at Mike's link, because I know it will be upsetting.

^ Agreed.

The answer isn't to get them out of the UK (thereby just foisting our social problems on some other country), the answer is to deal with them appropriately here.

diamondgeezer wrote:
But atm 'appropriately here' seems to mean no more than sketti suggests, an out of sight out of mind approach. It deals with the problem ( a pair of kid killing kids) and not the cause.

There's the nub right there.
What's "appropriately" ?

oioioi wrote:
I don't really know how anyone could claim to truly know what the cause is/was, so how can it be tackled?

This is such a difficult subject. Probably because it's so hard to get your head around what would cause two children to do such a thing. At that point my mind shuts off. This is the problem, who wants to deal with this kind of thing? We end up with nobody knowing what to do with people like this.

I don't even know if we can address the cause. Are some people just born wronguns? If they are, what then?

feather wrote:
That's by-the-by to my mind....why aren't we looking at what may have contributed to causing such heinous acts and seeking to prevent them with as much gusto as we seek to hold up our 'dregs' as an example of why it shouldn't happen again (until it inevitably does).