Gilly wrote:
Well, is it worth finding out why stuff happens or is it better to simply lock people up after the shit hits the fan?
^

andyh wrote:
Go back & read what I wrote about it if you wish to know my opinion, Andy.

And while you're at it, what do you think psychiatrists have been involved with these people for, if not to try to determine those things?

OMG! Who said, 'ignore the root causes'? Nobody, that's who! The experts have supposedly been looking to find out what the root causes are, and so far as I'm aware, still are, and to little avail. Not one person here has said or implied that root causes should be ignored.

Gilly wrote:
There are no experts looking into it at all Gilly.
Where are the peer reviewed investigations by psychologists and sociologists on the Bulger case?
Where are the recommendations?

You say 'as far as you're aware' but basically that extends as far as the newspaper and tv right?

andyh wrote:
Of course, since they don't communicate directly with me. The two of them were reported to have had swathes of pschiatric attention when first charged, and full psychiatric evaluations prior to their release, as is the norm.

www.hinesolicitors.com/offender-assessment-system/

I have a friend who works in a prison, and according to her, it's usual for murderers & rapists to receive a lot of psychiatric attention during their confinement.

So you think that nobody has tried to discover the triggers?

Gilly wrote:
Psychiatric attention is not psychological investigation Gilly.
Psychiatrists and psychologists are two very different breeds

andyh wrote:
And which do you say they've had, and what are your sources, Andy? What do you think the role of any social workers who spent a good deal of time with them would have been? If you have some knowledge of what tests & evaluations went on, why don't you spit it out instead of dancing about, since you're not arguing with anyone - nobody has dismissed or minimised the belief that it's important to try and find & address causes.

Finding & addressing causes though is a different issue from the problem of how to deal with people once they've committed such crimes.

The construction of childhood as a separate category from adulthood had yet to take place at
the beginning of the nineteenth century (Go
ldson,2002
).
During the eighteenth century
children were required to be useful from an early age, often in the form of domestic chores,
and outdoor
activities
that involved agricultural and craft work
, children from poor socio
-
economic backgrounds were oft
en employed in textile mills in the first decades of
industrialisation (Davin,1999:
16).
Even towards the beginning of the nineteenth century
,
criminal justice and penal systems treated children who broke the law in exactly the same
way as adults, capital p
unishment, transportation across the seas and detainment in prisons