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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 10 Apr 2013 13:27 #261

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"Police officers are monitoring social media, internet forums and BlackBerry messaging networks in the expectation that Margaret Thatcher's funeral procession next Wednesday will be targeted by protesters.

The possibility of demonstrations during the funeral has raised concerns that police may adopt the controversial tactic of making pre-emptive arrests."

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Shouldn't they be out catching real criminals instead of looking at porn on the internet,i mean looking messaging networks and forums.

And another thing.

What about the miners who suffered poor health through their tough and thankless jobs,the emphysema sufferers,at least 100,000 of them.

Rot in hell Thatcher.
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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 10 Apr 2013 14:25 #262

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Also from that article...
Speaking on BBC One's Breakfast programme, Mr Hague said: "It's right Parliament meets and commemorates such a leader of historic proportions in our country's history.

"She changed the course of our history and there have been many comments over the last few days from all corners of the political spectrum.

"When it comes to money, the rebate she negotiated for this country from the EU has brought us so far £75 billion - which is twice the size of our annual defence budget.

"I think that puts money in perspective... so I think we can afford to contribute to a funeral."

Really?


And this little gem....

Calls made for Trafalgar Square statue

Calls for a statue of Lady Thatcher to be erected on the empty fourth plinth of Trafalgar Square were criticised by Falklands veteran Simon Weston, who warned it could become a target for protests.

Commander John Muxworthy, a Lt Commander on the SS Canberra during the Falklands War, said there should be a permanent public memorial, and that it should be next to Nelson "to recognise that she was at the heart of the nation".

Ukip leader Nigel Farage and Lord Tebbit also said they were in favour. Mr Weston said a statue would be "fitting" but he warned of the "reaction of the foolhardy".


A fucking statue! :suicide:
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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 10 Apr 2013 14:33 #263

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I can see how this is panning out, by next Wednesday anyone voicing anything but grief and/or praise will be 'an anarchist/terrorist' liable to be pre-emptively detained. (awaits CV's vid).

Although there is going to be army lining the route isn't this purely a decorative thing? Do they actually have any authority on UK soil in terms of enforcing any laws?
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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 10 Apr 2013 14:45 #264

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£8 million for a funeral.

That's a lot of spare bedrooms. :hahano:
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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 10 Apr 2013 14:49 #265

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Re-awakening (for want of a better word) the generation that hated Thatcher, might turn out to be an eye-opener of sorts as far as civil unrest goes.
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a One minute's silence = sing loudly throughout it (or play very, very loudly a recording of Michael Shrimpton's radio programme recording of her cover up of her marvellous friends and supporters, the paedos Sovile and Ted Heath):



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b) Burial in St Paul's (dun't bother me, because that's just another paedo/scum dumping site) but = go in and pee on it regularly.

c) Statue anywhere = pull it down (repeatedly if necessary).

8 million earmarked for the funeral = make them need to fork out 800,000 million.

There's always something we can do!

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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 10 Apr 2013 15:38 #267

The baroness had imaculate well groomed hair with that massive hooter, mmmmm.

i bet in her coffin she is held one side of her body up that has drooped with a snap-on clamp.

my mum liked her cos she let us buy our council house and arthur scargil was a pilock
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Mike wrote:
I'd really love to hear an Anarcho Feminists critique of the idea - which i;ve heard repeated all day in the media today- that Thatcher did a great deal for the cause of feminism/female emancipation.
I would struggle to name one identifiable social group that the policies of her government helped in any way other than banks, corporations and financial speculators, so how anyone could possibly defend her on women's rights, I have no idea. Literally the only possible argument that could be put forward is "she was a woman". Even that's debatable...
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Mike wrote:
I'd really love to hear an Anarcho Feminists critique of the idea - which i;ve heard repeated all day in the media today- that Thatcher did a great deal for the cause of feminism/female emancipation.
I would struggle to name one identifiable social group that the policies of her government helped in any way other than banks, corporations and financial speculators, so how anyone could possibly defend her on women's rights, I have no idea. Literally the only possible argument that could be put forward is "she was a woman". Even that's debatable...

Couldn't agree more, especially the last bit :D
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Mike wrote:
I'd really love to hear an Anarcho Feminists critique of the idea - which i;ve heard repeated all day in the media today- that Thatcher did a great deal for the cause of feminism/female emancipation.
I would struggle to name one identifiable social group that the policies of her government helped in any way other than banks, corporations and financial speculators, so how anyone could possibly defend her on women's rights, I have no idea. Literally the only possible argument that could be put forward is "she was a woman". Even that's debatable...

According to the late FILM ACTOR Ronald Reagan, she was "The best man in Britain"... and he should know, he was in bed with her often enough. :D

Even so, while at my parents' house yesterday, they had BBC Coventry Radio on (as usual - they get ALL their news from the BBC), there was a snippet with 3 separate women discussing what she had done for women and, unbelievably, one of the speakers thought she had done EVERYTHING for us. Just EVERYTHING. According to her, if today's women are allowed to do anything outside the house and motherhood, it's thanks to t'hatchet. :roll:

They're out there, wub. *cue Twilight Zone music*
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It's just the Obama affliction twenty years earlier. Obama must be good for black people, he's got dark coloured skin. He doesn't actually have to do anything to improve the lives of black people in America, or appoint any black people into key positions, he's got the skin pigment, so that's fine. Thatcher doesn't actually have to do anything to improve the lives of women, or appoint any women to cabinet positions (I read that she briefly appointed one during her entire tenure), or even show any femininity or vulnerability at all. After all, she's a woman (as far as we know) so she must be good for women, right?

And I sympathise with the 'getting all news from the BBC' illness in your family. It's one that many of us have to cope with. It's a bigger killer than cancer.
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I knew there must be a Tory in touch with reality somewhere:

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22090358
Former Conservative minister David Mellor says asking football to mark the death of Baroness Thatcher with a one-minute silence is a "hopeless request".

Former Prime Minister Thatcher died in London on Monday, aged 87, after suffering a stroke.

"I think it would make a dismal spectacle and we should not try and do it," Mellor told BBC Radio 5 live.

"I see both sides of Margaret Thatcher, but it doesn't matter if she was the greatest peacetime prime minister, there is no point in asking football to have a minute's silence that lots of people will not observe.

"There is no respect for Margaret Thatcher's memory in a situation where you effectively invite a significant proportion, I suspect, of most football crowds to opt out or behave badly."
Listen to the interview on the BBC website. I would love to see a 'minute's silence'. It would be hilarious.
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My son was speaking about the minutes silence at this weekends football and according to him, it's not going to go down well if they try to make it happen :D
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psketti wrote:
My son was speaking about the minutes silence at this weekends football and according to him, it's not going to go down well if they try to make it happen :D
It could be the first thing that Man United and Liverpool fans have ever agreed on!

It can't happen. Even David Mellor said in the south 30% of people would break the silence, and he declined to estimate what the percentage would be in the north. Once you had the majority chanting against her, it would be basically everyone. And football crowds are not known for being concerned with good taste! And they'd have to show it all over TV, and during the live matches on Sky, and on Match of the Day, and even the BBC news couldn't spin that one!
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:coffee: Can any Thatcherite say which non-existent Society is meant to fork out 8 million to pay for this funeral?
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A feminist guide to celebrating Thatcher’s demise

Posted on 9 April 2013 by Emma Pooka

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I’ll start from the premise that anybody who’s got as far as reading this had no particular love for Margaret Thatcher. If this doesn’t apply to you, this article will not help. You’re on the wrong blog. Go away now. Bye bye.

Yesterday, today and probably for the next week or so, people are sharing the glad tidings around TwitFace in succinct missives ranging from jubilant celebration to wary reminders that this doesn’t change the way things are and we must keep up the fight against Thatcher’s legacy. There’s nothing wrong with either of these sentiments. While we must not forget that the wheels she put in motion are still driving the cogs that grind us into submission on a daily basis, we’re also entitled to blow off a little steam, and even to celebrate the presence of one less architect of our oppression wasting our oxygen with their vile presence on this planet. However, unusually for a such a potent symbol of rampant destructive capital, and especially for one in a position to wield so much power against the working class, she was a woman. What does this mean for the conscientious Thatcher-basher? Let’s try out a few suppositions that are making their presence felt throughout that amorphous confusion of privilege, oppression, liberal denial, radical indignation and occasional hope that our newspapers refer to as “The Left”.

Does it mean you can’t say anything these days cos feminists and political correctness has gone mad innit?
No.

Does it mean that we have to acknowledge her as a feminist icon because being in power was harder for women and she raised women’s political status and all that?
No. That is, it probably was harder for her than it would have been for a man, because patriarchy etc., but it’s not as if she was pursuing a feminist goal or fighting oppression. Her ambitions were quintessentially individualist. She wasn’t raising the status of women, in fact she used every feminine stereotype she could to promote herself while reinforcing working class women’s oppression. You don’t get to claim any feminist kudos for breaking glass ceilings when you rain down shattered glass on the women below in the process. Feminism (which Thatcher loathed) wasn’t, and isn’t, about getting to the top and playing with the big boys, it’s about bringing the big boys down, along with all the structures maintained by patriarchy and capitalism. Let’s get one thing entirely clear: Thatcher was no feminist, and she did shit all for women.

Does it mean that we can’t vilify her because we wouldn’t be vilifying a man in the same way?
No, we can definitely vilify her. But we should be careful about how we vilify her, because patriarchy does make it so much easier to vilify women as women, in ways that are harmful to all women rather than just the villains. That said, give her credit: she was vilified for far more than just her gender, and there are many very good reasons why Thatcher holds such a special place in the nation’s gallbladders. She was the one who turned on the tap for all the neoliberal free market shit we’ve been wading through for the past three decades. Why vilify her for being a woman when there’s her role in privatising services, destroying industries, breaking unions, starting wars, atomising communities and, lest we forget, stealing milk from babies.
It’s true that any other Prime Minister at that time would have done similar things, and that every one since has continued the job, and it’s also true that a man might have got away with much of it with less flack from the press. Doesn’t make Thatcher any less of a villain. If we want to be fair and break down the gendered vilification, let’s get ready to blow the roof off when Blair carks it.

Does it mean I can’t call Thatcher a bitch, cunt, hag, harridan, cow or cast aspersions on her sexual integrity or attractiveness?
I don’t know where you think I acquired magic powers from, but I can’t actually stop you from saying anything.

But would it be wrong for somebody who thinks of themselves as a feminist or feminist ally to use those words against Thatcher?
Look, I’m not about making naughty lists, here. Words and their meanings are fluid, and often context-dependent. But as a general rule, insults that are only used for women are misogynist, k? A good litmus test is to ask yourself if you’d ever find occasion to use the same insult on a man, without the insult centring on implying he’s like a woman. If you’re not sure, try it on Cameron and see how it fits. There are very few insults that aren’t suitable for him.
Also, be aware that people who hear you using those insults on Thatcher without first seeing you use them on Cameron will be perfectly justified in assuming misogyny, as that’s the usual meaning of those words. Don’t come back with “But I used the same insult on Cameron, so it’s OK!” One cross-gender insult does not wash away centuries of misogynistic cultural baggage. Best response to being called out on this is to apologise and use a more gender-neutral insult (on Thatcher, not the person who called you out. Unless they were defending Thatcher).

Does that mean I just can’t insult women?
Not at all. What’s wrong with calling Thatcher a venomous, putrid crust of syphilitic smegma on the chode of the universe? Or if you don’t like the vulgarity, go for the surreal: Thatcher was a wax-encrusted elbow-joint of the highest order. Be creative. Please feel free to use the comments on this post to practice your non-gendered insults, provided you aim them only at Thatcher.

Where do you stand on singing “Ding Dong the Witch is Dead?”
Tough one. The history of witch persecution is fraught with the very foundations of modern capitalist and patriarchal oppression, as anybody who’s read Silvia Federici knows. But there are so few songs you can sing joyfully about the death of somebody thoroughly deserving.
You want a proper argument in defence? Give me a minute.
OK, got one. The cultural connotations of “witch” in the modern day are so fragmented, having passed from fairy tale and myth through church/state persecution, a modern reinvention as “Wicca”, developing into a full-fledged sub-culture with often positive portrayals in TV drama and children’s literature, it could be argued that the word “witch” is now primarily a fairly neutral term for a female magic-user and serves only to denote the profession of the woman in question, not her moral status. After all, the song takes care to distinguish: “Which old witch? The wicked witch,” suggesting that wickedness is by no means assumed by the term’s use. If Glinda, the good witch, can allow the munchkins their song of triumph over the ruby-slippered menace that has oppressed them for so long, who am I to begrudge it?
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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 10 Apr 2013 19:09 #278

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I think Russell Brand did a decent summation of Thatchers role with this line ... "She is an icon of individualism, not of feminism.
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I've read before about feminists loathing Thatcher, because there was an expectation that she would aid women's rights in some when she became PM, whereas she did nothing of the kind.
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