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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 11 Apr 2013 12:51 #301

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Name Thames Estuary airport after Baroness Thatcher - Boris Johnson

This is just getting silly now.

Somebody in the comments suggested naming eathrow after Ted Heath instead! :killinme:
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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 11 Apr 2013 14:35 #302

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A brief summary of headlines:

Thatcher's death propels 'Ding Dong' song to No.1

Read more: www.theweek.co.uk/uk-news/margaret-thatc...ng-no1#ixzz2QA4cHxMC

Labour pull ahead 14 points: has Thatcher grief backfired for PM?

Read more: www.theweek.co.uk/politics/margaret-that...tories#ixzz2QA51BoiM

Funeral: Among the international guests will be FW De Klerk, the last president of apartheid South Africa

Read more: www.theweek.co.uk/uk-news/margaret-thatc...ntines#ixzz2QA5ZISJn
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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 11 Apr 2013 17:01 #303

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Billy Bragg says Thatcher made him a socialist. Thanks Mikey for the Glenda Jackson video. It has been a while since I saw Parliament. Reminds me how rude it is. Never liked the whole jeering while a person is talking thing.
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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 11 Apr 2013 18:13 #304

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I've just got back from the swimming pool and discovered a new favourite stroke..........Thatcher's! :D
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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 11 Apr 2013 18:19 #305

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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 11 Apr 2013 18:29 #306

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So let's look at it dispassionately.

The state, which we are told is there to serve the needs of the people deemed this thatcher person to have done such a good job for the people that she is worthy of a state(ish) funeral.

The people, which we are told the state is there to serve decide that they would like to celebrate her death en masse and use the occasion to protest at the continuing effects of her legacy.

The state then decides that anyone who may disagree with the view of thatcher as being the saviour of Britain is a nasty anarchist bent on trouble. They then essentially militarise the funeral and put snipers on rooves etc.


So....can someone please explain to me why people still can't see that the state is not for the people but for itself? That the state is composed of a self serving bunch of greedy cunts who use and abuse the people any time they want? That the best thing we could possibly do to rectify this is to smash the state to smithereens?
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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 11 Apr 2013 19:12 #307

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Spot the difference!

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I've just got back from the swimming pool and discovered a new favourite stroke..........Thatcher's! :D

:D
Does it involve the crawl but just on one side?
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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 11 Apr 2013 19:23 #309

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Spot the difference!

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Oh Maggie, Maggie what did we do?
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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 11 Apr 2013 19:34 #310

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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 11 Apr 2013 19:39 #311

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I just looked at the government website and yes it only mentions the housing act of 1980 under major acts.

www.number10.gov.uk/past-prime-ministers/margaret-thatcher/

What about the big bang (The phrase Big Bang, used in reference to the sudden deregulation of financial markets)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang_%28financial_markets%29

The privatisation of various state owned businesses.

The list is endless.
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knobmeup wrote:
So let's look at it dispassionately.

The state, which we are told is there to serve the needs of the people deemed this thatcher person to have done such a good job for the people that she is worthy of a state(ish) funeral.

The people, which we are told the state is there to serve decide that they would like to celebrate her death en masse and use the occasion to protest at the continuing effects of her legacy.

The state then decides that anyone who may disagree with the view of thatcher as being the saviour of Britain is a nasty anarchist bent on trouble. They then essentially militarise the funeral and put snipers on rooves etc.


So....can someone please explain to me why people still can't see that the state is not for the people but for itself? That the state is composed of a self serving bunch of greedy cunts who use and abuse the people any time they want? That the best thing we could possibly do to rectify this is to smash the state to smithereens?
It's quite duplicitous to open proclaiming a dispassionate view, when what follows is not a dispassionate or objective appraisal or analysis of the State.

What follows is a poorly formed excuse for spewing nonsense slogans about smashing the state.

Do you think if you smashed the state greed would somehow vanish?
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Thatcherism describes the conviction politics, economic and social policy, and political style of the British Conservative politician Margaret Thatcher, who was leader of her party from 1975 to 1990. It has also been used by some[who?] to describe the beliefs of the British government while Thatcher was Prime Minister between May 1979 and November 1990, and beyond into the governments of John Major, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and David Cameron
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thatcherism#Trade_union_legislation
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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 11 Apr 2013 20:12 #314

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I think Thatcherism and Reaganomics are just other words for greed and selfishness.
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Mike wrote:
knobmeup wrote:
So let's look at it dispassionately.

The state, which we are told is there to serve the needs of the people deemed this thatcher person to have done such a good job for the people that she is worthy of a state(ish) funeral.

The people, which we are told the state is there to serve decide that they would like to celebrate her death en masse and use the occasion to protest yat the continuing effects of her legacy.

The state then decides that anyone who may disagree with the view of thatcher as being the saviour of Britain is a nasty anarchist bent on trouble. They then essentially militarise the funeral and put snipers on rooves etc.


So....can someone please explain to me why people still can't see that the state is not for the people but for itself? That the state is composed of a self serving bunch of greedy cunts who use and abuse the people any time they want? That the best thing we could possibly do to rectify this is to smash the state to smithereens?
It's quite duplicitous to open proclaiming a dispassionate view, when what follows is not a dispassionate or objective appraisal or analysis of the State.

What follows is a poorly formed excuse for spewing nonsense slogans about smashing the state.

Do you think if you smashed the state greed would somehow vanish?

Did someone sit on your sarcasm detector?

Daft bugger :)
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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 11 Apr 2013 21:04 #317

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Mike wrote:
Thatcherism describes the conviction politics, economic and social policy, and political style of the British Conservative politician Margaret Thatcher, who was leader of her party from 1975 to 1990. It has also been used by some[who?] to describe the beliefs of the British government while Thatcher was Prime Minister between May 1979 and November 1990, and beyond into the governments of John Major, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and David Cameron
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thatcherism#Trade_union_legislation

Actually Thatcher, didn't invent "Thatcherism", Keith Joseph her mentor invented it. Keith Joseph was a rightwing challenger to Ted Heath for Tory leader, but Joseph utterly screwed up his own chances of ever being elected by making a speech calling for the poor to be sterilised to protect our "human stock", after this major fuck up he personally urged Thatcher to go for the leadership as the next best thing. Tory anti-porn campaigner Mary Whitehouse praised Joseph's "tremendous" class eugenics speech. So sharing Joseph's ideology Thatch proceeded to impose the next best thing, she also appointed Joseph minister for Education and Science

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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 11 Apr 2013 21:10 #318

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knobmeup wrote:
So....can someone please explain to me why people still can't see that the state is not for the people but for itself? That the state is composed of a self serving bunch of greedy cunts who use and abuse the people any time they want? That the best thing we could possibly do to rectify this is to smash the state to smithereens?
I think the problem you have is that what you're doing here is what sensible people do when they're trying to work out what's going on; ie. looking at the evidence that's available systematically and coming to a reasoned conclusion. This is not how most people form their view of the world.

Most people's worldview is based on a vague impression of what is actually going on that is almost entirely formed from their emotional reaction to it, or particularly their emotional reaction to the way that it's presented to them. In your post, you've given probably the classic example, the 'nasty anarchist'. Most of the country that gets their view of the world through the BBC - which is an absolutely alarming number of people considering the unbelievable crap that they put out - will have got this precise impression from seeing a few people in hoodies smash a bank up, and the BBC, as well as other news media, does their best to demonise any form of social protest or demonstration whenever possible. So instead of people thinking "hold on, why are these people demonstrating?", they've already got a prejudiced view, although it's not actually based on any substance or understanding of what's really happening. Actually if you challenge people on their view on most subjects, you will almost certainly find that they can't back it up.

With regard to the state, the situation reminds me of the Public Enemy album title "It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold us Back". It takes years and years of non-stop propaganda and social conditioning to get people to react the way you want them to, and to see issues within narrow parameters that are acceptable. Thus, there's the famous Chomsky quote: "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum..." So if you say you're an anarchist, that's it, you're out of the debate. If you say, "maybe 9/11 didn't happen quite the way we were told", you've had it. If you suggest that the British establishment is fundamentally corrupt and we actually already live in a fascist state, it's just a case of how fascistic it's going to become...out of the debate. If you say, "hmmm...I don't like what Cameron is doing with the cuts, I think I'll vote Labour at the next election", congratulations, you're part of the debate again!

And this is how people are kept passive and docile, it's simply by limiting the scope of views that they have access to, and very aggressively attacking anything outside of that spectrum.
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The first half of the Keiser Report today was mostly about Thatcher:

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Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman Lord Bell says 11 Apr 2013 21:18 #320

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A few classy lines on the InterLink
A parade celebrating a military victory. Hours of fawning speeches. Dissenters shouted down. Critics denounced on the front page of newspapers.
Thank God Mrs Thatcher saved us from the worst excesses of communism, eh?

And the ghoulish Tebbit rises
Former Cabinet minister Lord Tebbit has also condemned the actions of those who "celebrated" the death of Lady Thatcher.
He said: "I think that parents whose children go to a school where such a person is teaching have a right to demand some action is taken because of the potential affect upon children."

So it is Stasi style punishment for the Non-Compliant. Welcome to the Grief Police
No anti-Thatcher protesters have responded to a police request to identify themselves ahead of potential demonstrations on the day of Margaret Thatcher's funeral, the Metropolitan Police Service's Commander Christine Jones has told ITV News.
www.itv.com/news/update/2013-04- ... ct-police/

Bwahahaha!

Grief Police not getting willing political prisoners!

What a shocker!

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Strange, I've never ever been "invited" to a funeral. Normally you just hear about it and turn up.

Must be different in the world of wrong.

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