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MMR Vaccine Debate 23 Apr 2013 07:24 #1

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www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-...-health-8570596.html
Full statement by MMR scare doctor Andrew Wakefield: 'The Government has tried to cover up putting price before children’s health'

The full statement from Andrew Wakefield, the discredited doctor whose Lancet article sparked the MMR scare 15 years ago, on the outbreak of measles in Wales

In the wake of further media distortion, misrepresentation, and ignorance in relation to the measles outbreak in Wales, it is important to clarify some key facts.

In 1998, following an analysis of all published pre-licensing studies of MMR vaccine safety I recommended the use of single measles vaccine in preference to MMR. This remains my position.

At that time, in contrast with the false assertions of many commentators, including Richard Horton, Editor of The Lancet, and vaccine millionaire Paul Offit, the single vaccines were licensed in the UK and freely available to the British public.

While MMR vaccination uptake fell from February 1998, there was a reciprocal increase in the uptake of the single vaccines – a fact that is never acknowledged in the press. Vaccination clinics administered many thousands of doses of measles vaccine and children were “protected”.

Six months later, in September 1998, the British government withdrew the importation licence for the single vaccines, effectively blocking this option for parents.

Measles cases in the UK rose when the government withdrew the importation licence for the single measles vaccine leaving concerned parents with no choice. When I demanded to know why, if the government’s principal concern was to protect children from measles, it would prevent parents with genuine safety concerns over MMR from protecting their children, Elizabeth Miller of the Health Protection Agency responded, “…if we allowed parents the choice of single measles vaccines it would destroy our MMR programme.” The government’s concern appeared to be to protect the MMR programme over and above the protection of children.

Despite the claim of David Salisbury, head of the UK’s Immunisation Division, that MMR has, “an exemplary safety record”, two of the three brands introduced in 1988 had to be withdrawn for safety reasons – they caused meningitis.

Government officials had approved these dangerous vaccines – Pluserix and Immravax – giving them the great majority of the UK market despite knowing that they were high risk and despite having been warned explicitly of their dangers. These government officials put price before children’s health and have been seeking to cover up this shameful fact ever since.

The US government has paid out millions of dollars to children whose autism followed vaccine-induced brain damage. A recent government concession in the US Vaccine Court confirms that the parents’ claims were valid all along. In a recently published December 13, 2012 vaccine court ruling, hundreds of thousands of dollars were awarded to Ryan Mojabi, whose parents described how “MMR vaccinations”, caused a “severe and debilitating injury to his brain, diagnosed as Autism Spectrum Disorder [‘ASD’]”.

Later the same month, the government suffered a second major defeat when young Emily Moller from Houston won compensation following vaccine-related brain injury that, once again, involved MMR and resulted in autism.

The cases follows similar successful petitions in the Italian and US courts (including Hannah Poling, Bailey Banks, Misty Hyatt, Kienan Freeman, Valentio Bocca, and Julia Grimes) in which the governments conceded or the court ruled that vaccines had caused brain injury. In turn, this injury led to an ASD diagnosis. MMR vaccine was the common denominator in these cases.

The more light that shone on this subject by way of informed, balanced debate, the better. I am offering to debate any serious challenger on MMR vaccine safety and the role of MMR in autism, live, in public, and televised.
When I get chance, I will write my full feelings on this subject.
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MMR Vaccine Debate 23 Apr 2013 09:42 #2

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Just git your damn vaccines....remember that stupid cow? :D

As a parent though you are told you are imagining it all, you are stupid, the state doesn't lie, the state protects you.

And pigs fly and banks can make money out of thin air forever with no consequences.
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MMR Vaccine Debate 23 Apr 2013 10:21 #3

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Nurses etc who administer the MMR are paid a 'bonus' of £1.50 per vacine by the pharmas...that was the 'going rate' 15 years ago. FACT
The worse thing the gov did was remove the licence for the single measles jab.
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MMR Vaccine Debate 23 Apr 2013 10:22 #4

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MSM, mercury is good for you....LOL!!
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MMR Vaccine Debate 23 Apr 2013 10:25 #6

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I wrote a little bit more about this here:

uk.tv.yahoo.com/daybreak-measles-outbrea...rview-075500495.html

Here is a link to the other article referenced, and a short section from it:

uk.tv.yahoo.com/daybreak-review-budget-t...march-103400135.html
It was also amusing to see that during an item on measles, 'Daybreak' had found a nursery in Swansea in which there had been four cases of the virus. This was attributed to people refusing to use the MMR vaccine due to safety concerns, but the four children that had caught the measles had all been vaccinated! This was never put to the doctor subsequently interviewed, who simply recommended more measles shots.
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MMR Vaccine Debate 23 Apr 2013 10:28 #7

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Ya, how do vaccinated kids get the disease later??

Hmmmzzzz the mind boggles.
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Ya, how do vaccinated kids get the disease later??

Hmmmzzzz the mind boggles.
Not merely one, though, 100% of the children from which this outbreak began were vaccinated. I saw and heard a representative from the local NHS authority confirm this with my own eyes and ears.
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MMR Vaccine Debate 23 Apr 2013 10:34 #9

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The MMR vacine being the case in point here (and the individual measles vacine) is not a PREVENTATIVE one, it just helps (in the hope) to stop people getting full blown measles. My sister had chicken pocks and measles at the same time when she was little even though she had been innoculated. Not nice. People seem to have 'forgotten' the word innoculation.
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MMR Vaccine Debate 23 Apr 2013 19:11 #10

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I sometimes listen to the radio on my lunch break, and that weasle, Jeremy *spits* Vine was having a 'debate' on this subject last week. He was asking, "Do we think parents who refuse the vaccination for their children should be punished, and if so how? Ban them from National health care for eg?"

Dunno why I ever listen, he always raises my blood-pressure.

He ignored a well-spoken old bloke who rung in & must have got through by accident. He raised the point about the MMR v individual vaccines, whilst repeating his sly, pretendy earnest way, everything said by those in favour of it.
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MMR Vaccine Debate 23 Apr 2013 20:19 #11

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Gilly wrote:
I sometimes listen to the radio on my lunch break, and that weasle, Jeremy *spits* Vine was having a 'debate' on this subject last week. He was asking, "Do we think parents who refuse the vaccination for their children should be punished, and if so how? Ban them from National health care for eg?"

Dunno why I ever listen, he always raises my blood-pressure.

He ignored a well-spoken old bloke who rung in & must have got through by accident. He raised the point about the MMR v individual vaccines, whilst repeating his sly, pretendy earnest way, everything said by those in favour of it.

Jeremy Kyle, Clarkson, Vine......just the Daily Mail if it could speak.

Even Luis Suarez, his middle name is Jeremy, not many people know that.....
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MMR Vaccine Debate 23 Apr 2013 21:54 #12

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Gilly wrote:
I sometimes listen to the radio on my lunch break, and that weasle, Jeremy *spits* Vine was having a 'debate' on this subject last week. He was asking, "Do we think parents who refuse the vaccination for their children should be punished, and if so how? Ban them from National health care for eg?".
What a fucking debate. Bad enough from bullshit commercial radio, but the nation's favourite 'public service broadcaster' never fails to disappoint! Yeah, they should be punished; birch them and take their children into care. What kind of world are we living in? God fucking help us. This is the shit they're coming out with now when people still have the reasonable means to think for themselves and rebel to a certain extent. What will they be coming out with once the economic shit has hit the fan?
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MMR Vaccine Debate 23 Apr 2013 22:13 #13

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
The US government has paid out millions of dollars to children whose autism followed vaccine-induced brain damage. A recent government concession in the US Vaccine Court confirms that the parents’ claims were valid all along. In a recently published December 13, 2012 vaccine court ruling, hundreds of thousands of dollars were awarded to Ryan Mojabi, whose parents described how “MMR vaccinations”, caused a “severe and debilitating injury to his brain, diagnosed as Autism Spectrum Disorder [‘ASD’]”.

Later the same month, the government suffered a second major defeat when young Emily Moller from Houston won compensation following vaccine-related brain injury that, once again, involved MMR and resulted in autism.

Hmmmmmmmm
In addition, although Ryan clearly has neurological problems, as Catherina points out there is no evidence of actual autism. In fact, if you go and look up earlier records, you’ll find that the child did not demonstrate any ASD behaviors on CHAT screenings:
whatever the reasoning for the court’s final decision, the court did not compensate the Mojabi family for Ryan having an ASD. From the evidence that is publicly available, it doesn’t even sound as though Ryan has an ASD.
The story is actually somewhat different from that of Ryan Mojabi in that there was actually fairly convincing evidence that Emily suffered symptoms within two weeks of having received her vaccinations. She probably did suffer encephalopathy in close enough temporal association with vaccination to be, as the court ruled, a table injury. But evidence of vaccines causing Emily to become autistic? There is none. In fact, unlike the case of Ryan Mojabi, autism or autism spectrum disorder isn’t even mentioned in the ruling.

scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/01/15/da...ering-induces-ennui/

Can't say I have either the medical knowledge to accurately judge all this kind of stuff or trust that everything 'approved' is safe. . But I don't trust anti-vaccination hysteria either. And I certainly wouldn't trust Andrew Wakefield.
Current measles outbreak certainly isn't doing anyone any good.
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MMR Vaccine Debate 23 Apr 2013 22:15 #14

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dogsmilk wrote:
Can't say I have either the medical knowledge to accurately judge all this kind of stuff or trust that everything 'approved' is safe. . But I don't trust anti-vaccination hysteria either. And I certainly wouldn't trust Andrew Wakefield.
Current measles outbreak certainly isn't doing anyone any good.
I totally agree with you. However, all of the four children from whom the outbreak stemmed from were vaccinated.

Sorry, I disagree about Andrew Wakefield, I have no reason to either trust or distrust him.
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MMR Vaccine Debate 23 Apr 2013 22:32 #15

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
dogsmilk wrote:
Can't say I have either the medical knowledge to accurately judge all this kind of stuff or trust that everything 'approved' is safe. . But I don't trust anti-vaccination hysteria either. And I certainly wouldn't trust Andrew Wakefield.
Current measles outbreak certainly isn't doing anyone any good.
I totally agree with you. However, all of the four children from whom the outbreak stemmed from were vaccinated.

Sorry, I disagree about Andrew Wakefield, I have no reason to either trust or distrust him.

Haven't heard that (source?), but IIRC measles vaccinations aren't 100%. Think there's variables - age given or something - not sure. But it would be very disingenuous to suggest that because people who've been vaccinated for something could still get it, you shouldn't vaccinate at all,

So what do you think of Wakefield apparently bullshitting about these court cases? What did you think of him rather conveniently patenting a singular measles vaccine while making hay about how everybody should be having a single measles vaccine? The more you look at him, the more of a dodgy fucker he seems. That, of course, does not mean everything about vaccines stands or falls on him alone.
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dogsmilk wrote:
Haven't heard that (source?)
Perhaps read the thread? Just a suggestion.

Believe what you want about the MMR vaccine, that's your right. I'm sorry, I don't have time for Internet 'debates' any more, I tend to focus on paid writing nowadays. I only come here to speak to my friends and post some information for people to look at. I don't really have any interest in discussing Dr. Andrew Wakefield.

If I get the chance to write my opinion on the MMR debate, which I studied in the past, then as I said in the OP, I will.
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wake_up_bomb wrote:
dogsmilk wrote:
Haven't heard that (source?)
Perhaps read the thread? Just a suggestion.

You saying it on some Yahoo posting? That's like you just saying it on this thread - it's hardly a source is it?
It's no biggie. I was just curious if it were the case or like something you'd read on Natural News or something.
Believe what you want about the MMR vaccine, that's your right. I'm sorry, I don't have time for Internet 'debates' any more, I tend to focus on paid writing nowadays. I only come here to speak to my friends and post some information for people to look at. I don't really have any interest in discussing Dr. Andrew Wakefield.

If I get the chance to write my opinion on the MMR debate, which I studied in the past, then as I said in the OP, I will.

Well pardon me John Pilger :rofl:
I look forward to reading your exciting articles about breakfast TV in the Guardian :thumbup:
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MMR Vaccine Debate 23 Apr 2013 23:29 #18

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Gilly wrote:
I sometimes listen to the radio on my lunch break, and that weasle, Jeremy *spits* Vine was having a 'debate' on this subject last week. He was asking, "Do we think parents who refuse the vaccination for their children should be punished, and if so how? Ban them from National health care for eg?".
What a fucking debate. Bad enough from bullshit commercial radio, but the nation's favourite 'public service broadcaster' never fails to disappoint! Yeah, they should be punished; birch them and take their children into care. What kind of world are we living in? God fucking help us. This is the shit they're coming out with now when people still have the reasonable means to think for themselves and rebel to a certain extent. What will they be coming out with once the economic shit has hit the fan?

No doubt blaming the public for it
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andyh wrote:
No doubt blaming the public for it
In any of these issues, you just have to follow the money. If you follow the money then you'll always find out why something is happening very quickly.
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You saying it on some Yahoo posting?

Daybreak TV, you might also wanna see who penned the yahoo article.
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