Is that how it works, if you come into contact with even one unvaccinated person you're at risk?

Yes they obviously are a risk to other unvaccinated at least.

The basic principle of Herd immunity is that enough people are vaccinated to eliminate the ability of a disease to transmit, clearly not enough people were vaccinated in Wales undermining the Herd Immunity, thus causing the outbreak, subsequent panic and justifiably radical reaction.

Scientist Dr Craig Venter, who was one of the first to sequence the human genome, has called for all unvaccinated children to be banned from school.

He told the Times that said such children were a "hazard to society".

It echoes calls Dr Paul Offit, a US-based measles expert, that vaccination should be mandatory.

He says such a policy, which can affect school admittance and job offers in the US, had prevented similar outbreaks there.

It is not compulsory as people can object on health, philosophical and religious grounds.

A similar scheme is not expected in the UK.

What point do you believe is apparently implicit in the thoughts of a scientist in response to a Measles pandemic edit:is it that or an epidemic?

Can you describe something adequately by saying one thing they are not?
Or does "Understanding" require a leap of faith?

Yes they obviously are a risk to other unvaccinated at least.

The basic principle of Herd immunity is that enough people are vaccinated to eliminate the ability of a disease to transmit, clearly not enough people were vaccinated in Wales undermining the Herd Immunity, thus causing the outbreak, subsequent panic and justifiably radical reaction.

No neither do I and I would doubt there are many educated human beings who would suggest a child should suffer for the religious conviction or paranoia of their parents.

No neither do I and I would doubt there are many educated human beings who would suggest a child should suffer for the religious conviction or paranoia of their parents.

And what is it with all the increased hype of it spreading to London...why not some of the other major cities or even Wales capital Cardiff which is next door to Swansea?....Something is fishy.

Jane

Have you looked into the Jehova's Witnesses beliefs about blood transfussions?

Jane

There are vaccines that work, they're the same ones given separately before the mmr

Mankind has caused no end of accidental extinctions, but there's one intentional one that we're rightly proud of: smallpox, which no longer circulates in the human population. But last year, humanity celebrated a similar success, eliminating another virus from the wild. It just didn't get as much attention because the virus in question targeted cattle. But, for those whose livelihoods depend on cattle, this was a major advance. And, according to a review of its eradication published in Science, our ability to wipe it out in a few remaining pockets of Africa may have important lessons for other diseases, including those that infect humans.

The virus in question, a relative of the measles virus, causes a disease called rinderpest. If it isn't familiar, that may be because it was such a problem that control efforts in Europe date back as far as the 1600s. Use of vaccines against it date back to the 1800s (and, the article helpfully points out, rinderpest control was the target of the first rectal thermometers). As a result, the virus has been largely in check in Europe.

But in the late 1800s, it made the jump to Africa, and the results explain why eliminating the virus is such a triumph: the paper cites a 90 percent mortality as the virus spread through the continent. That's also why it's generally been considered the animal disease that has the largest impact on human well-being. [...]
All of that [effectiveness of vaccines in eliminating further human disease] assumes a that the local population has bought into the need for the vaccine. And, at least in the case of the human disease closest to eradication, polio, that has become a serious problem, as many local figures in the last remaining pockets have linked the vaccine to various conspiracies

andyh wrote:
Yes there are, but not the measles one...my sister and others in her year at school 40 yearsago is a case in point.
My understanding of the MMR which I went into at some depth at the time it was introduced as my first born would have been the first in the country to be inoculated is, that all 3 measles, mumps and rubella have had to be slightly modified so they don't compete with each other when given in combo so to speak. The problem that Whitaker found was that they did interact and although harmless to a majority of kids inoculated, could cause autism etc.

anyways, I'm off to bed. I'll pick this up tomorrow when my brain is firing on all cylinders.

Jane

I imagine deathcare fascists would just call it collateral damage