www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-22276975
You can read more about this here:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22089485

So unvaccinated kids are a danger to vaccinated kids?

Another thing I find extremely suspect about vaccines is how much they're pushed via the media when considering '3rd world' poverty and child mortality. The campaigns would run and we'd be told that 'for only a fiver' a child can be treated with a vaccine which 'might' help alleviate the effects of the dirty water which they're forced to drink. Surely for all that money that gets donated there's a way to provide them with a clean and permanent water supply instead of injecting them with weird poisons and bits of dead animals and aborted babies and stuff?

andyh wrote: Have your kids had vaccines?

Herd immunity is the idea that when a certain percentage of a population is vaccinated, those within the population who are not vaccinated are protected from the disease. This is a fairly straightforward concept; if 90 percent of a population is immune, then the chances that a carrier of the disease will come into contact with a non-immune member of the population (or "herd") is low. [1]. Herd immunity is the goal of most vaccination programs as it is the point where a disease can start to be eliminated altogether from a population, as is the case for polio in the western world.[2]

rationalwiki.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

That's the prevailing wisdom on how to avoid pandemics, what would you suggest instead?

wow this made me have a thought:

Mike wrote: If 'herd immunity' exists, why would it be necessary to ban children that haven't been vaccinated from schools?

Vaccinations/no vaccinations; it really makes no difference whatsoever, nothing will halt or even hinder disease. I think that the population figures have far more to do with the statistics regarding the spread of disease/illness than the redundant pro/anti immunisation argument.
More people; more illness, simple.

panzerfaust wrote: Remember this?



I remember it, because I remember watching it with my mum and her husband who were both totally taken in by it, while I pointed out that this was complete hysteria, that nothing significant would occur, that they wouldn't be treading over dead bodies on the way to work, and that they would forget it had ever been predicted in due course.

Note what one of the Youtube commenters who posted the video said:
I hope (s)he made it through the pandemic alive!

I completely agree WUB; media hysteria rarely, if ever, amounts to anything. The point I was making was that as the global population increases exponentially, so do the cases of illness and disease. I think the hysteria comes from seeing large detailed patterns in things without taking into account population increase. There is a great deal of sense in the concept of immunisation, but in practice the diseases are well ahead of us in terms of relative intelligence. Vaccines are becoming obsolete as diseases mutate and evolve at a far quicker pace than our 'experts' and technology can handle. I've recently had first hand experience of just how extremely aggressive and dare I say, intelligent, these diseases are. I've not changed my mind however, I still believe there is a significant risk with or without immunisation. These diseases are highly intelligent and adaptable, and we are pretty much flying blind in terms of immunisation, treatment and diagnosis.

panzerfaust wrote: I definitely wouldn't disagree with any of that, large parts of medical science are little more than stabbing in the dark. I listened to a program about Prozac the other day, obviously reviled by many people, and even the doctors that were defending its usage just openly stated that they have no idea why it causes some people to feel better (a pretty trivial percentage, in my opinion, considering the damage it also does).

Mike wrote:
Individual vaccines, without the mercury.
I paid 90 quid for each one 4 in total for each kid and I have 4 kids so 16 x 90 quid.

You get what you pay for I suppose.

panzerfaust wrote:
Along with population increase there is population density and interaction eg international travel to consider as variables.
Both of which are on the increase as populations are tending towards extreme urban densities in asia and air travel is quite cheap.

Exactly Andy; theres so many variables that the media 'experts' fail to consider when either playing down or hyping up their stats.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
Aaah prozac! I have a hunch that the long term implications of this haphazard social/medical experiment with manufactured 'happiness', have yet to be fully realised. I remember reading somewhere about the dramatic fluctuation in alzheimers diagnosis in people who had been prescribed SSRI's long term.

panzerfaust wrote: Outperformed by a sugar pill in tests:

www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/feb/26/m...alth.medicalresearch

wake_up_bomb wrote: c'mon WUB, be serious for a minute, obviously unvaccinated members of the "herd" undermine the whole principle of herd immunity

Mike wrote: What's the point in vaccinating people if when you come into contact with even one unvaccinated person then you're apparently at risk? Surely the vaccine protects you?

wake_up_bomb wrote:
The sad thing is that even with this authorative and conclusive information out there, millions of people will continue to shovel this trash down there throats, blindly chasing the false god of perpetual happiness.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
Is that how it works, if you come into contact with even one unvaccinated person you're at risk?